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Subject: Re: Proper platform for a firewall
From: David Miller <isdmill @ gatekeeper . ddp . state . me . us>
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 14:57:50 -0400 (EDT)
To: firewalls @ greatcircle . com
In-reply-to: <9408051417 . AA14942 @ tis . com>
Reply-to: David Miller <isdmill @ gatekeeper . ddp . state . me . us>

On Fri, 5 Aug 1994, Marcus J Ranum wrote:

> >In a few years we'll look back on these days and shudder
> >that we worked so hard to make Unix secure.  The mere notion of
> >setuid programs and a superuser id prevent security from being possible!
> 
> 	You need to improve your understanding of UNIX and system security.
> 
> 	*MOST* operating systems have a superuser ID or privilege,
> except for ones like DOS that don't have it at all. *MOST* operating
> systems that have privileges have a setuid-like construct to permit
> trusted applications to cross boundaries.

To take this a bit farther: Either *everyone* is superuser (like DOS), or 
*some* are superuser and some are not.  To be fair, it is possible to 
divide security responsibilities into multple partitions - i.e. to break 
up superuser priviledges into multiple accounts.  Suid programs, on the 
other hand, are a terrific way for programmers to allow users to interact 
with data in only a prescribed manner.

[Bad code can be written for good systems deleted]

> mjr.
> 

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