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Subject: Re: ISO 9000 Requirements & Firewalls
From: "Johnson-Bryden, Ian" <IJB @ saicuk . co . uk>
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 94 14:10:00 GMT
To: "'Firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM'" <Firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM>
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There are some folk who will tell you that you cant buy a newpaper without 
an ISO 9000 and when you get your certificate you can only buy a newspaper 
produced by a publisher who has ISO 9000 and vended by someone who holds a 
certificate.

ISO 9000 is a quality management methodology/certification system which is 
replacing national systems from folk like NIST in the US and BSI in the UK.

Like the earlier systems, ISO 9000 is great for Government procurement 
officials (because it potentially reduces the number of Open Procurement 
vendors and provides yet another tick box for procurement documents) and for 
consultants (most corporations would have difficulty in producing all the 
required documentation without help unless they simply stopped doing 
business while they prepared for evaluation)

Like the old BSI BS5750 system, ISO 9000 does not really impose any special 
constraints. The company has to formally document how it works. Small 
companies may pay anything up to US$50K to produce this documentation, but 
at the end of the process they may continue to work exactly as they always 
did, with the same personnel, plant & machinery. If you call in to an auto 
tyre shop which now displays a nice shiny ISO 9000 certificate you may not 
notice any difference from your previous visit except their prices have gone 
up and the manager has a new bookcase to hold his umpteen volumes of 
procedure manuals (you will probably also notice that these manuals are the 
only documents in the shop which are not covered with dirty finger prints).

If the ISO 9000 system works correctly, it is possible that some companies 
will not be able to connect to the Internet. That isnt a function directly 
of ISO 9000, but the way the enterprise produces and implements its 
enterprise policy with the attendant risk policy. At the other extreme, a 
company could hold ISO 9000 and not even require a firewall.

What is probably more significant is the current bureaucratic drift on data 
protection and evaluation criteria and their relationship to ISO 9000.

There are now active moves by several governments to MANDATE given minimum 
levels of security for every user of IT equipment who has to register under 
data protection regulations. As data protection regulations are now set to 
expand across the user base that means potentially EVERY IT user including 
the home computer user. The mandated security levels will be expressed in 
criteria terms and probably require that the security functionality has been 
evaluated and certified under ITSEC or whatever. It will probably not accept 
vendor 'designed to meet' claims.

As people like NIST and BSI are now closely involved in criteria 
development, it is likely that a vendor will have to achieve ISO 9000 even 
though some ITSEC Commercial Licensed Evaluation Facilities have already 
stated publicly that they often have more problems with products supplied by 
BSI/ISO certified developers. It could therefore follow that a company which 
has achieved ISO 9000 will have to meet all data protection requirements 
including the use of certified security technology and even to have his 
systems accredited. This could mean that he will not be able to link to the 
Internet or any other Information Super Highway unless he fits certified 
network security systems. This could mean that most existing firewalls will 
have to be replaced with certified firewalls (but certified firewalls dont 
currently exist) or the user cuts his Internet links.

Fortunately we have not yet reached this level of government involvement in 
our communications habits, but the question is - how long will it continue?

Ian J-B.

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From: firewalls-owner
To: duperret; lavondes
Cc: firewalls
Subject: Re: ISO 9000 Requirements & Firewalls
Date: 16 December 1994 14:51

> Some time, I overheard the opinion that you can't be on the net and obtain
> or keep ISO 9000 certification. I don't have the faintest idea why that
> should be, but then I don't know much about ISO 9000 except that it means
> *lots* of paperwork before, during and after :-)
>
> Does anyone have an idea ?


Yeah - the above is bunk, I'm afraid!

ISO 9000 has nothing to do with whether you're on the net or not...

Ross
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