Great Circle Associates Firewalls
(December 1994)
 

Indexed By Date: [Previous] [Next] Indexed By Thread: [Previous] [Next]

Subject: Re: Firewall-1 toolkit from Checkpoint
From: "Jonathan B. Horen" <horen @ applicom . co . il>
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 09:37:27 +0200 (IST)
To: firewalls @ greatcircle . com
In-reply-to: <9411297887 . AA788751053 @ ccmail . geoworks . com>

On Thu, 29 Dec 1994 Marc_Mangus @
 ccmail .
 geoworks .
 com wrote:

>           We are evaluating it now.  It looks like a good package.
>           The GUI interface is really nice - I haven't seen any other
>           firewall software as easy to use.  Now the bad part; the
>           manual is so bad they might as well not include one.

Yes, well, the guy who wrote it is neither a system and/or network
administrator, nor anywhere near being a savvy computer user (PC).
Checkpoint made a mistake, but it's a very common one.  We can hope
that they will quickly have someone knowledgeable do a thorough
rewrite (if not toss it and start again).

>           Also the pricing is arbitrary and not based on value.  You
>           can pay around $5k if you have less than 50 nodes or $20k if
>           you have more.
> 
>           Since the firewall only "sees" the machines it is
>           controlling security on (or the routers) it seems nutty to
>           me to base the price this way.  It seems to say "we can get
>           more money from people with large networks without
>           delivering additional value".  Just my .02.  Again, overall
>           it looks like a good package.

WRT "arbitrary" pricing, let's remember that software pricing is a
combination of several important factors:

1.  Initial development costs (the developers' hardware/software
    infrastructure; "overhead", such as rent, electricity, telephones,
    coffee; *salaries*, unless you think that we work `for free' here
    in Israeli high-tech, or anywhere else, for that matter)

2.  Ongoing/future development costs (same as above) -- and remember:
    there aren't any "maintenance" charges for this product, so that
    everyone receives product upgrades "for free".

3.  All of this is a business, and business is designed to *make money*
    (I know it seems crazy, but trust me on this one).  Remember the
    1980s in Silicon Valley?  People *dream* of creating a new product
    and being "made an offer that they cannot refuse" by some giant
    like Sun...  Anybody got "founders' shares"?

WRT "without delivering additional value", try turning it around --
let's hear you say how you got *more* value than you expected/needed
for your money with your small network, and isn't that great?!

Do you only purchase automobiles which have a top-speed of 55mph?
Do you only purchase televisions which receive the channels in *your*
area?

No and no; but do you complain about the "extra" speed or channels
which you can't use?

If you wanna complain about FireWall-1, how about the complete lack
of a curses-based interface for interacting with the program from a
"dumb" terminal, or from within a workstation window?

Just my 6 Agorot ($0.02 in local currency).

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
<A HREF="http://www.applicom.co.il/~horen";><EM>Jonathan B. Horen</EM></A>
System/Network Manager                       Applicom Software Industries
-------------------------------------------------------------------------



References:
Indexed By Date Previous: [no subject]
From: "Alastair Young" <alastair @ cadence . com>
Next: Re: your mail
From: mccoy @ io . com (Jim McCoy)
Indexed By Thread Previous: Re: Firewall-1 toolkit from Checkpoint
From: "Alastair Young" <alastair @ cadence . com>
Next: apple link.
From: Ed Lazor <lazore @ CSOS . ORST . EDU>

Google
 
Search Internet Search www.greatcircle.com