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Subject: Re: address spoof/no return packets
From: Brent @ GreatCircle . COM (Brent Chapman)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 22:04:28 -0800
To: jon @ nytimes . com (Jon E. Price), firewalls @ greatcircle . com
Cc: gordy @ nytimes . com

At 18:28 1/23/95, Jon E. Price wrote:
>CERT Advisory CA-95:01 states:
>"It is important to note that the described attack is possible even if no
>reply packets can reach the attacker."
>
>
>How can this be?

If you know (i.e., if you can predict) what the replies are going to be,
you don't need to see the replies.  It all depends on what the goal of the
attack is.  If it's to get data out (for instance, get an /etc/passwd file
out to run crack against), there are plenty of ways to do that indirectly
(for instance, issue a command that causes it to be mailed to you).  If it's
to trash the system, a simple "rm -rf /" will suffice, regardless of whether
you can see the results or not.  There are plenty of other ways to exploit
the ability to run commands, even blindly, to achieve various other attack
goals.


-Brent

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