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Subject: Re: Secure Modem Pool
From: Adam Shostack <adam @ bwh . harvard . edu>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 23:50:58 -0400 (EDT)
To: se @ adv . sbc . sony . co . jp (Steve England)
Cc: firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <9504241713 . AA03640 @ sabakon . adv . sbc . sony . co . jp> from "Steve England" at Apr 24, 95 06:13:18 pm

	Put the modems on a machine parallel to your main firewall,
with the same authentication method you use for sessions from the
outside.  Use a scsi or sbus terminal server; its worse on your cpu,
but easier to trace the signal path, and ensure that users use strong
authentication.

	I like Central Data Systems term servers; they connect to the
scsi port.  Aurora & Magma make S/bus terminal boards.  I wrote a sun
managers summary about the three if you're interested
ftp://duke.bwh.harvard.edu/pub/adam/term-servers.short, term
servers.gz is the full set of responses.

| Are there generally recommended way(s) in which to setup a 
| pool of modems for dialin (possibly dialback) capability whilst 
| remaining secure ? 


| 1. Recently i have heard that dialback modems arent as secure as
|    once (?) thought. Does anyone have any experiences/war-stories/
|    hard facts on this ?

	Phone switches are computers outside your control.  Should you
trust them for your security?

| 2. I have heard of a device that can attach to the phone network &
|    monitor the target phone number & log data (passwords ?) from it
|    for later re-use. Would Bellcore S/Key be strong enough to defeat this
|    in as much as, "so what if you see the password its only valid once".

	Yes.  It would not prevent taking over of the connection, but
I do not know how realistic that threat is.  I do know people have
hacked past dial back modems by attacking switches.  

| 3. Possibly using a low-end cisco with modem support, alternatively a
|    telebit netblazer, but i've heard there's problems with its *strange*
|    optimisation with the rules you supply it. Any preferences/why ?

	Are you really familiar with it?  Why not use a unix box of
your choice with a terminal server?

adam


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