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Subject: Re: Digital Firewall for Ultrix
From: brad @ surfsoft . com (Brad Smith)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 22:02:04 PDT
To: firewalls @ greatcircle . com

I have a feeling there's some confusion here... I've been evaluating
the "Digital Firewall for _Unix_" (not Ultrix).  I haven't heard of a
current D.. F.. for Ultrix product, so I suspect, if this isn't what
the original poster said, it is what they intended:).

Not wanting to go into an evaluation in such a public forum, I will
say that the new product is based on DEC Unix (aka OSF/1) running on
a DEC Alpha, and has little, if any, resemblance with the product
described by Mr. Brigman below.

Brad Smith
Surf Software
brad @
 surfsoft .
 com

>From: James Brigman - Imonics Development <jbrigman @
 imonics .
 com>
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:54:47 -0400
>Subject: Re: Digital Firewall for Ultrix
>
>I can tell you a bit. I used to administer one.
>
>Pros:
>	- Ultrix 4.x is an old, stable product.
>	- Machines running Ultrix can be cheap.
>	- Ultrix has built-in C compiler, not an extra-cost item.
>	- xforwardd, ftp and telnet proxies built in which do not require
>	special telnetd, ftpd, etc. spread out to every client.
>Cons:
>	- SecurID integration exists, but is poor.
>	- ONLY ONE PROTECTED INTERNAL SUBNET IS POSSIBLE if using SecurID
>	- They ship you an old IDA sendmail with the product
>	- it's expensive
>	- DEC doesn't support ULTRIX 4.x very much at all.
>	- The A1-to-SMTP interface (although not a firewall component, a
>	related product) is VERY poorly supported and NOT MIME compliant. Nor
>	will it EVER be.
>	- At least the product I used was not a "product", per se, but a
>	repackaged set of firewall utilities you can get from any of the good
>	security archives on the internet.
>	- Poor sockd/httpd integration. We had to "roll our own".
>	- No way to do internal and external web accesses on an internal
>	web viewer using the sockd/httpd (a limitation of httpd/sockd?)
>	- I was only able to find about TWO active users in the continental
>	US of this product. If there are others, they sure DIDN'T want to be
>	found because I looked HARD.
>
>Conclusions: If $$ are the problem, get a fast Pentium PC, load Linux and get 
>the tools from the internet locations. If $$ are not a problem, or if no on-si
>te support, go with one of the commercial products and pay to have it configur
>ed.
>
>I don't know why anyone would actually CHOOSE to go to this product. From what
> I have seen, there are much better, much cheaper products, ie: Firewall-1, TI
>S Toolkit (written by Marcus Ranum, one of the original authors of this softwa
>re), a couple of the Sun products, and PORTUS (an interesting AIX product...)
>
>[DISCLAIMER: I have no connection whatsoever to these products: I have simply 
>seen either the technical info or the product in action and am merely offering
>a disinterested opinion: I do not administer any of the products described
>herein. All flames to /dev/null. ]
>
>JKB


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