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Subject: Re: SafeWord new www page
From: Carl Jolley <cjolley @ iac . net>
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 14:29:46 -0500 (EST)
To: Bob Bosen <bbosen @ NETCOM . COM>
Cc: Mark_W_Loveless @ smtp . bnr . com, firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <Pine . 3 . 89 . 9511031734 . A11336-0100000 @ netcom>


On Fri, 3 Nov 1995, Bob Bosen wrote:

> 
> All this discussion about sniffers has prompted me to accelerate the
> following announcement:
> 
> Enigma Logic's www page, under development for the past several weeks,
> is now up and running at:
> 
> http://www.safeword.com
> 
> It has a lot of links to firewall-related stuff, and offers the ability
> to instantly download free demonstration versions of SafeWord's software-
> based, non-replayable dynamic password system. This is not full encryption,
> but it offers very good protection against unathorized breakins, even if
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
 
Uhh,
 
Is there any other kind? Or are you the chief head director of the
Department of Redundancy Department?


> sniffers are capturing and compromising conventional passwords. It has
> interfaces to TACACS, TACACS+, RADIUS, and to several commercial and/or
> public-domain firewall packages.
> 
> This web page is still under development, and I don't know for sure how
> our 128K ISDN link will stand up to the strain if everybody tries to
> access at once, but I'd like to get some feedback. I hope you like it.
> 
> 
> 
> Bob Bosen
> Enigma Logic Inc.
> 2151 Salvio St. #301
> Concord, CA   94520
> USA
> 
> Tel: +1 510 827-5707
> Internet: bbosen @
 netcom .
 com
> anonymous ftp archives: ftp.safeword.com /pub/Safeword
> **************************************************************************
> * "It wasn't me!!! Somebody must have captured my username/password!!!"  *
> **************************************************************************
> 
> On Mon, 30 Oct 1995 Mark_W_Loveless @
 smtp .
 bnr .
 com wrote:
> 
> >      1 - You assume Unix in most cases. Non-IP cards can still get stuff, 
> >      even from IP stations, when in promiscuous mode. You're talking raw 
> >      packets here.
> >      
> >      2 - Most cards have built into them the ability to report total 
> >      packets received (and passed up the OSI chain). These usually are not 
> >      protocol dependent. Certain IPX calls can retrieve this data (the IPX 
> >      Responder code, used for diagnostics).
> >      
> >      3 - Bay Systems 5000 concentrators can detect and PARTITION OFF an 
> >      unauthorized sniffer.
> >      
> >      Mark
> > 
> > 
> > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> > Subject: Re: How protect against sniffers?
> > Author:  mcn @
 EnGarde .
 com at internet
> > Date:    10/29/95 11:21 PM
> > 
> > 
> > In article <Pine .
 SUN .
 3 .
 91-heb-2 .
 05 .
 951028191421 .
 10343A-100000 @
 actcom .
 co .
 il> you 
> > write:
> > > 
> > >>> in these day I've found several students using sniffers programs...How can I
> > >>> protect my systems? Can you suggest me any source of informations about 
> > >>> sniffers programs?
> >      
> > >Kerberos and S/key makes sniffing more or less obsolete.
> > >In addition you could code a program to scan for a promiscuous mode and 
> > >alert the admins if found..
> >      
> >   Kerberos and S/Key (or smartcards) do *NOT* make sniffing obsolete. See
> >      
> >      http://www.engarde.com/software/ipwatcher
> >      
> >   for a product which (while not it's intended purpose) can hijack S/Key or
> > Kerberos authenticated sessions.
> >      
> >   Full encryption or packet-level authentication is the only way to go, and
> > this will continue to be the case for the foreseeable future. There are several 
> > good packages which will help protect from sniffing and the IP spoofing family 
> > of attacks.
> >      
> > 1) Kerberos: but MAKE SURE Encryption is not only the default, but it's 
> > enforced. Unfortunately, Kerberos (and it's related tools) seem to only turn 
> > on encryption if the user specifies some obscure flag (which is most likely 
> > rarely the case). The latest telnet daemon (94.02.07) allows the admin to 
> > force all incoming connections to be encrypted and authenticated. This is
> > a step in the right direction!
> >    ftp://aeneas.mit.edu/pub/kerberos{README.KRB4, README.KRB5_BETA5}
> >      
> > 2) STEL: This was probably the first stand-alone encryption connection package 
> > out, and looked promising at the time. A paper was presented on it at Usenix 
> > '95, and it went through the proper beta-testing cycle. (It had around 100 
> > very reputable people looking through the source). After Usenix, updates
> > to STEL seemed to stop... 
> >    ftp://idea.sec.dsi.unimi.it/pub/security/cert-it/{STEL.ps, f95_stel.ps, stel}
> >      
> > 3) SSH: This has a lot more features than STEL and the author is very 
> > responsive if any problems are found. Fortunately (or unfortunately), many are. 
> > I remember one weekend when 3 versions were released in a matter of hours.
> > :-) I'd definitely suggest picking this package up--it supports encrypted 
> > X displays among other nice things.
> >    ftp://ftp.cs.hut.fi/pub/ssh/{README, ssh-1.2.0.tar.gz}
> >      
> >   As for more information on sniffers, Chris Klaus ocasionally posts a
> > sniffer FAQ to the comp.security.* newsgroups.
> >    http://www.iss.net/iss/addsec.html
> >      
> >   Hope that's helpful!
> >      
> > -Mike Neuman
> > mcn @
 EnGarde .
 com
> > http://www.engarde.com
> > 
> > 
> 


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