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Subject: Re: Firewalls review in Data Comms
From: frankw @ in . net (Frank Willoughby)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 23:25:16 -0500
To: firewalls @ GreatCircle . com

>With regards to the very interesting review of different firewalls
>in the Nov 95 issue of Data Communications which Ken Stephens
>kindly pointed out.
>
>The URL is http://www.data.com/Lab_Tests/Firewalls.html if you
>missed it
>
>In summary, the top performers are:
>
>- Firewall-1
>- Cyberguard
>- TIS Gauntlet
>
>I would be interested in anyone's comments on the review. I
>was also wondering if we would see a response from the two
>vendors whose products didn't make it thru the testing process -
>BorderWare and Connect:Firewall. I seem to remember seeing previous
>comments from both these vendors on this list, so I thought
>they might care to point out the flaws in the testing methodology or
>whatever...it's always wise to hear both sides of the story.
>
>Regards,
>
>Todd
>
>
>--
>
>Todd Hooper                            Internet  : todd @
 momentum .
 com .
 au
>Momentum Pty Ltd                       Phone     : 09 483 2649
>Western Australia                      Fax       : 09 380 4371
>
>
>
>

Todd,

Thanks for the URL pointer.

IMHO, I think the tests are slightly skewed.  The tests were primarily
from a performance standpoint with security being a minor issue.  From
what I know of the contenders mentioned, any self-respecting hacker can
go through *all 3* of their top picks.  From a security standpoint, the
tests were disappointing to say the least.  

Going on a bit further, I would venture to say that the NSTL didn't do
their homework on existing Internet vulnerabilities and how they can be
exploited.  Steven Bellovin's paper entitled "Security Vulnerabilities 
in the TCP/IP Protocol Suite" is an excellent work on this subject.
Robert Morris' (the father, not the son who wrote the worm) paper also 
covers this subject.  (A pointer to Steven's paper can be found at my
home page).  The papers are well known and really easy to find on the 
net.  If NSTL didn't find these papers on the net, they probably didn't 
look very hard.

A firewall is of (very) little value if a hacker can go through it and 
land on a system *behind* the firewall.  Since the testing didn't cover
these types of vulnerabilies, IMO, I would say that the testing results 
are pretty useless - from a security point of view.  (And a firewall 
*is* a security product).  Assuming the article accurately reflects NSTL's
testing methodology, then I am very disappointed in the NSTL for not doing
the basic research on Internet / TCP/IP vulnerabilities before designing 
a test plan and actually testing the firewalls.  I think this really hurt
their credibility. <sigh>.  I very nice attempt, but IMO they didn't go far 
enough.

I have received a bunch of mails regarding my previous posting on firewall
vulnerabilities, I'll cover this tomorrow with a single posting rather 
than try to answer each mail individually.  

Best Regards,


Frank



  
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