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Subject: Re: Firewall-1, any hints or gotcha's in it's installation??
From: Craig Anderson <craiga @ Ipsilon . COM>
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:21:59 -0800
To: Adam Shostack <adam @ bwh . harvard . edu>
Cc: craiga @ Ipsilon . COM (Craig Anderson), firewalls @ greatcircle . com (Firewalls mailing list)
In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:25:08 EST." <199512202125 . QAA10675 @ joplin . bwh . harvard . edu>

> 	While Craig is correct that a properly configured set of
> packet filters will protect you from some things, I don't see how a
> filter will protect sendmail, which is supposed to get packets from
> all over the net.

If sendmail *on the firewall* never sees a packet, what's the risk?
I run sendmail on a different machine on my DMZ, not the firewall.
And, yes, it is at risk though contained.
> 
> 	Further, if you make a mistake in your filter rules, or if
> FW-1's rule compiler has a bug, then having a hardened OS underlying
> is a useful layer of additional defense.  

No argument here.  I removed lot's of stuff from my firewall even
with FW-1.  But if anyone doesn't think they can trust FW-1 (i.e.
any purchased firewall) then they need to go write their own.
But I bought one because I have a life!
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> Craig wrote:
> 
> | > Adam Shostack wrote
> | > 	Don't forget to harden the underlying OS before installing, a
> | > point which the manual makes no mention of.  I've seen FW-1s running
> | > on a Sun with Sun's shipped sendmail.  Hmmm.  If you're already
> | > running FWTK, you've probably done this, but there are a number of
> | > vendors who say 'our OS is good enough for a firewall.'
> 
> | I say that this is not necessary.  If you set up your filters
> | correctly, then Solaris will never see any packets it's not
> | supposed to since the filters operate between the ethernet
> | driver and the higher protocol stacks.  The key is to set up
> | the filters correctly; i.e. don't allow any communication to
> | the firewall itself.
> | 
> | Craig
> | 
> 
> -- 
> "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once."
> 					               -Hume
> 



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