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Subject: Re: SSL and S-HTTP Proxy Status (as of 11 January 1996)
From: Bill Stout <bstout @ osc . hitachi . com>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 14:49:04 PST
To: Firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
Cc: fwtk-users @ tis . com

>From what I heard, SOS will soon release a version of Freestone which has
SSL proxy capability, plus telnet-gw and ftp-gw which actually works.  

The USENIX firewall group meetings I attended yesterday grumbled that TIS
abandoned fwtk, and is no longer maintaining fwtk proxies for new
applications and protocols.  Rumor has it SOS Freestone will have a fwtk
migration tool for disgruntled fwtk users.

Bill Stout


At 07:40 AM 1/22/96 EST, you wrote:
>
>I recently posted a note to the Firewalls @
 GreatCircle mailing list asking
>about commerical firewall product support for SSL and S-HTTP proxies.  Here
>are some posted summaries as of 11 January 1996.  If there is additional
>vendor support (specifically for dual-homed gateway-based firewalls),
>please let me know.  I realize that screening routers and packet filtering
>systems can support SSL and S-HTTP, my interest was in proxy services.
>
>1.  TIS Firewall Toolkit (patch is available for supporting https:// URLS)
>
>2.  TIS Gauntlet:  SSL annd S-HTTP proxies in next release.
>
>3.  KarlBridge/KarlBrouter:  S-HTTP proxy
>
>4.  Milkyway Blackhole:  S-HTTP proxy.  Currently supports SSL
>transparently and will support proxy-ssl and proxy-pct in the next release
>3.0.  SSL is currently support via proxy-tcp (many to many version of
>plug-gw if you prefer). PCT is Microsoft's SSL++.
>
>4.  SOS Brimstone:   S-HTTP proxy
>
>5.  Technologic Interceptor:  S-HTTP proxy
>
>6.  V-One SmartWall:  S-HTTP proxy
>
>7.  ANS InterLock:  ANS InterLock has an SSL proxy for handling https:// URLs.
>
>License versions of TIS Gauntlet will support whatever the next Gauntlet
>release supports.
>-------------------------------------------    
>
>From: "Mark Horn [ Net Ops ]" <mhorn @
 funb .
 com>
>Subject: Re: SSL and S-HTTP Proxy support
>Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:29:05 -0500 (EST)
>
>Well, I know that these aren't firewall vendors, but here are two more proxys
>that support SSL:
>
>        CERN Proxy with Ari Luotonen's patch.  For more info:
>                http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/Daemon/
>                http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/Daemon/User/Patch/
>
>        Netscape Proxy server.  For more info:
>                http://home.netscape.com/comprod/server_central/test_drive.html
>-------------------------------------------
>
>Date: 05 Jan 1996 15:28:01 -0600
>From: "Koch, Bryan" <Bryan-T .
 Koch @
 norwest .
 com>
>Subject: RE: SSL and S-HTTP Proxy support
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>
>While not a "firewall vendor", Netscape also markets an http/s-http proxy
>server.  They claim it is compatible with the TIS FWTK.  I've not tested it.
>-------------------------------------------
>
>See ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-luotonen-ssl-tunneling-02.txt
>-------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:24:55 +0100
>From: Jean-Christophe Touvet <jct @
 edelweb .
 fr>
>Sender: owner-fwtk-users @
 TIS .
 COM
>Precedence: -100
>
>[To unsubscribe from this list send the message "unsubscribe fwtk-users" in the
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 ]
>
>> I am looking for ssl patches/mods/plug-gw hints for Netscape.  It is
>> important for some of my users to get access to ssl-controlled sites.
>
> Look at <ftp://ftp.edelweb.fr/pub/contrib/fwtk/ssl-gw.tar.Z> and don't forget
>to read carefully the README file.
>
> Disclaimer: this code is not supported (I will not answer any question about
>it), and should be patched to avoid logging of User-Agent header with
>Netscape 2.x. Anyway, it works ;-)
>-------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:55:39 -0600
>From: Rick Smith <smith @
 sctc .
 com>
>To: firewalls @
 greatcircle .
 com
>Cc: smith @
 sctc .
 com, mckenney @
 smiley .
 mitre .
 org
>Subject: Re: SSL and S-HTTP Proxy support
>
>mckenney @
 smiley .
 mitre .
 org (Brian W. McKenney) writes:
>
>>I would like to have an update as to which commercial firewall vendors
>>support or plan to support (when) an SSL and/or S-HTTP proxy.  I will post
>>a summary.
>
>The answer depends on what you're trying to do. If you're trying to
>let clients residing on a protected internal net browse an external,
>less trustworthy net (the Internet) then all the major firewalls
>should provide similar service, including our Sidewinder.
>
>The service is based on a generic proxy that tunnels the traffic
>through the firewall.  Some firewalls (like Sidewinder) can apply
>access controls as follows:
>
>1) permit/deny traffic according to source IP address.
>2) permit/deny traffic according to destination IP address.
>3) restrict to inbound only or outbound only.
>4) require login/password from browser.
>
>All except 4) are generic proxy controls and not specific to Web
>service.
>
>As far as I know, *nobody* actually cracks the SSL at the firewall and
>applies access control on the crypto credentials being passed.  With
>today's Netscape browsers, of course, this can only authenticate the
>server being accessed, not the client. I don't know of anyone doing
>this with SHTTP, either. If anyone does, I'd be interested to hear
>what security objectives are involved and what mechanism is used.
>
>If, on the other hand, you need to provide Web service to clients on a
>potentially hostile external network (the Internet) then existing
>proxy techniques aren't going to protect you much. You need to host
>the Web service on a platform capable of resisting sophisticated
>attacks. That's a different problem.
>
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Brian W. McKenney  (mckenney @
 mitre .
 org)
>Network Security Engineering
>The MITRE Corporation     Mail Stop:  Z-231
>7525 Colshire Drive       McLean,  VA  22102
>Voice:  703-883-5463      Fax:  703-883-1245
>
>
>
>


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