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Subject: I want details!!! Re: NT's TCP/IP stack
From: Robert Dana <bob @ worldcom . com>
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:23:28 -0600 (CST)
To: firewalls @ greatcircle . com
In-reply-to: <Pine . SUN . 3 . 91 . 960207111419 . 19227B-100000 @ di2>
Reply-to: Robert Dana <bob @ worldcom . com>

OK, I'm getting really frustrated about the lack of details about NT's
deficiencies.  I couldn't care less about OS bigotry- I'll use whatever systems
meet my needs (which often include security).  I have seen, over and over
again, posts that basically say "I've personally verified that NT sucks for
{security, networking, multitasking, Internet services}.  Don't believe the MS
marketing hype".

For example:

Scott Barman <scott @
 Disclosure .
 COM> writes:
> Hopefully, when folks put NT on the internet, they will find the same
> thing I found through experimentation: it has multitasking that can't
> get out of its own way, it can't handle the load of a medium-low
> environment, and if something goes wrong, there isn't a quick interface
> to fix things (by passing that maze of twisty little menus all
> different!).

[...]

> Yea, it's called living the hype and beliving the b.s. from marketing
> machines.  No controversy here--especially when I don't believe what I
> read or hear from know M.$.... err... b.s. artists.

I don't mean to single Scott out- his is just the most recent example.  We can
bitch about MS's unsubstantiated marketing claims all we want, but making
similarly unsubstantiated claims opposing them doesn't help at all.  Exactly
what are the deficiencies of the IP or TCP implementations of NT for the
environment most of us care about (IP over ethernet)?  Why won't a firewall on
NT be capable of handling a connection faster than 64k?

One of the most valuable things about forums like this is the potential to
share information that cuts through all the BS that floats around out there in
the form of marketing materials and vendor-biased trade publications.  I'm
constantly disappointed about how little valuable knowledge is really posted. 
And please- keep your OS religion to yourself.  Sure, UNIX is what I'm most
comfortable with for now, but that doesn't change the fact that I have to deal
with NT whether I want to or not.  GIVE US FACTS.

-Robert

--
Robert Dana <bob @
 worldcom .
 com>        (713) 650-6522 x240
Director of Network Services
WorldCom, the International Network for Lotus Notes



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