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Subject: Re: Chameleon NetManage FTP/Raptor FW
From: Frederick M Avolio <avolio @ trusted . com>
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 10:12:18 -0500
To: jwright @ zerby . com, firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM

heaven forbid I should defend Raptor :-) but we -- firewall people, not just
vendors -- need to encourage people to complain to their client software
vendors to stop making software that assumes plain passwords. Chameleon is
not the only one who has you load a password in before it tries to make any
connection. 

If you try to connect to anywhere -- through a firewall or not -- that has a
challenge/response system for you, you are hosed. 

I use QVTnet (shareware) because it gives you a window with a command line
interface.  Not as cool as point and click but then I don't use plain passwords.

Fred

 At 09:52 AM 3/8/96 -0500, jwright @
 zerby .
 com wrote:
>Howdy,
>
>I find myself in the unenviable position of having to support a Raptor 
>firewall.  I am having nothing but problems with the crazy thing and all that I
>can say is that I am glad I wasn't involved in the purchase decision.
>
>Has anyone gotten Chameleon Netmanage 4.5's FTP to work through the thing with
>gateway authentication?  After my previous experiences with the Raptor's tech
>support and after reading this:
>
>"When user authentication is being enforced at the Eagle it requires the
use ofi
>the account command to exchange the users gateway password. Many windowed ftp 
>clients don't provide access to this command and therefore fail when trying to 
>pass through the Eagle." (from the FAQ on Raptor's web site)
>
>I don't think that I am going to get much help from Raptor.
>
>Normally, I'd recommend my client switch to a non-windowed FTP on their PC's,
>but they rolled out I don't know how many copies of Chameleon before they went
>firewall shopping...
>
>Jason
>
>-- 
>"We look hard, we look through, we look hard to see for real" Sisters of Mercy
>http://www.zerby.com/peewee  WORK jwright @
 netrex .
 com PERSONAL peewee @
 zerby .
 com
>"....and stop stomping around like that so much!!"   --Deanna Yow, on 12/18/95
>
>


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