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Subject: Re: Security of Networked Workstations with dial-up PPP Internet!!!
From: Darren Reed <avalon @ coombs . anu . edu . au>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 21:57:06 +1100 (EDT)
To: michael @ memra . com (Michael Dillon)
Cc: Firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <Pine . BSF . 3 . 91 . 960314011515 . 4863C-100000 @ sidhe . memra . com> from "Michael Dillon" at Mar 14, 96 01:27:18 am

In some mail from Michael Dillon, sie said:
[...]
> > I've been trying for a long time looking for the details of how break
> > in can
> > be achieved through this kind of dial-up connection but to my
> > disappointment,
> > almost all discussions were TOO GENERAL.  I think I need more information
> > to
> > convince TOP management and myself that this kind of dial-out internet
> > connection is in fact dangerous before we can lay down some guidelines
> > and enforce it.
> 
> Stop thinking of it as a dial-out Internet connection. It makes no 
> difference who does the dialling, once you are connected, you are 
> CONNECTED. At that point anybody can attempt anything they want with your 
> machine because it is DIRECTLY connected to the Internet with absolutely 
> no firewall protection whatsoever. ISP's do not use firewalls because 
> they are PUBLIC-ACCESS systems. If you have a weakness it is fully 
> exposed at this point. 

There is a significant difference/risk between dialing out through tip
or cu and using the 'net interactively than to setting up a PPP session.

Also, although you state that ISP's do not use firewalls, they do have a
need to protect themselves and their customers, and if they've got a
conscience, the rest of the Internet too, from nasties.

I don't know about you, but if I were an ISP, and had an office network,
I'd probably want to firewall that from the network that was used for
connecting together my backbone/customers.

darren


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