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Subject: Re: Hi Dave,
From: wojtek @ solaris . tryc . on . ca (Wojciech Tryc)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:03:05 -0400
To: Firewalls @ greatcircle . com, djr @ saa-cons . co . uk, knelson @ essi . com

You can run Firewall 1 on Solaris x86 


> From knelson @
 essi .
 com Fri Apr 12 19:24:30 1996
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:38:10 -0700
> From: Kevin Nelson <knelson @
 essi .
 com>
> To: Firewalls @
 greatcircle .
 com, djr @
 saa-cons .
 co .
 uk
> Subject: Hi Dave,
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Consider also the following:
> 
> BorderWare, the best selling firewall now, is based on a BSD kernal, and runs 
on a cheap PC.
> On a Pentium 90, its throughput capablity is roughly four times the speed of a 
T1. 
> 
> Solaris 2.5, on the other hand, is the basis for last-year's bestselling 
firewall, Checkpoint. But it
> requires a dedicated Sparc station, which is never cheap.
> 
> If you want more information, contact me.
> 
> Kevin Nelson
> ESSI
> 
> >>> Dave Roberts <djr @
 saa-cons .
 co .
 uk> 4/10/96  3:58 am >>>
> 
> The last thing I want to do is start an O/S flame war, I think we've had  far 
too many of those
> already.  What I am looking for are bare honest  facts.
> 
> I need to put in a bastion host to handle the proxying, DNS stuff, etc.  I 
would like to put this
> onto a pee-cee running BSD (either FreeBSD or
> BSDOS2.0).  However, someone above me in the chain of things wants me to use a
> SparcServer running Solaris 2.5.  I claimed that BSD was better suited for the 
purpose, and he
> said prove it. 
> 
> AFAIK, the facts stand as follows (please corrent me if I am wrong).
> BSD offers the immutable flag - Solaris does not.
> BSD gives me source code - Solaris does not.
> BSD allows me to compile stuff (ls etc) with static libs - Solaris does  not 
(if I remember a
> thread a while ago).
> 
> That's all I can think of.  Please don't mail back with arguments about  
having source code or
> not, or static libraries vs dynamic, think those  have been beaten to death :)
> 
> What I would like are facts from people that have experience with both 
systems, or something
> that people with one of those systems feel is a big bonus, or a big headache.  
 I'm assuming all
> the tools I want compile  equally well on both systems (whatever kind of libs 
are used).
> 
> ObOffTopic: anyone know a tool to to base64 decoding?  Some of my users get 
their mail sent
> to ccMail, and their gateway doesn't understand MIME.  A DOS util to do with 
would be great (I
> can't convert *everyone* to Unix and Pine! ;)
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Dave.
> 
> --
> Dave Roberts, Unix Systems Administrator, SAA Consultants Ltd, Plymouth, UK.
> "smap has the advantage [over bare sendmail] that it was written by somone who 
is almost
> certifiably paranoid" - Brent Chapman, London, 19 Oct 95.
>   -=[ For PGP 2.6.3i public key, send mail with subject of "get pgp" ]=-
> 
> 
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> From: Dave Roberts <djr @
 saa-cons .
 co .
 uk>
> To: Firewalls Mailing List <Firewalls @
 greatcircle .
 com>
> Subject: Solaris2.5 and BSD* - Facts
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> /* 
>  * This is actually a resend, but I never saw the original on the list, 
>  * and it was a day when our ISP appeared to have trans-atlantic problems.
>  * Sorry to anyone who's seen it already.
>  */
> 
> The last thing I want to do is start an O/S flame war, I think we've had 
> far too many of those already.  What I am looking for are bare honest 
> facts.
> 
> I need to put in a bastion host to handle the proxying, DNS stuff, etc.  I
> would like to put this onto a pee-cee running BSD (either FreeBSD or
> BSDOS2.0).  However, someone above me in the chain of things wants me to
> use a SparcServer running Solaris 2.5.  I claimed that BSD was better
> suited for the purpose, and he said prove it. 
> 
> AFAIK, the facts stand as follows (please corrent me if I am wrong).
> BSD offers the immutable flag - Solaris does not.
> BSD gives me source code - Solaris does not.
> BSD allows me to compile stuff (ls etc) with static libs - Solaris does 
> not (if I remember a thread a while ago).
> 
> That's all I can think of.  Please don't mail back with arguments about 
> having source code or not, or static libraries vs dynamic, think those 
> have been beaten to death :)
> 
> What I would like are facts from people that have experience with both
> systems, or something that people with one of those systems feel is a big
> bonus, or a big headache.   I'm assuming all the tools I want compile 
> equally well on both systems (whatever kind of libs are used).
> 
> ObOffTopic: anyone know a tool to to base64 decoding?  Some of my users
> get their mail sent to ccMail, and their gateway doesn't understand MIME. 
> A DOS util to do with would be great (I can't convert *everyone* to Unix
> and Pine! ;)
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Dave.
> 
> --
> Dave Roberts, Unix Systems Administrator, SAA Consultants Ltd, Plymouth, UK.
> "smap has the advantage [over bare sendmail] that it was written by somone
> who is almost certifiably paranoid" - Brent Chapman, London, 19 Oct 95.
>   -=[ For PGP 2.6.3i public key, send mail with subject of "get pgp" ]=-
> 
> 



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* Wojciech M. Tryc                                                   *
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