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Subject: Re: Dirty Dogs on AOL
From: Dan Simoes <dans @ ans . net>
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:01:58 -0400 (EDT)
To: marquis @ roble . com (Roger Marquis)
Cc: Firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <Pine . SUN . 3 . 91 . 960713231317 . 10056A-100000 @ roble . com> from "Roger Marquis" at Jul 14, 96 12:45:17 pm

I don't want to make this into a "I love/hate AOL" thread, which 
does not belong on this list, but I wanted to address two points
from previous emails.

> >I realize that hackers could go to
> >other resources, but the simple fact is that AOL generates more email
> >bombers, faked email, and probing hackers than any other single source,
> >and their abuse @
 aol .
 com address is next to useless. 

AOL is the single largest point of entry to the net (6M+ members) so
it is to be expected that there is a proportionally large number
of problems caused by AOL users.  I've found that mailing to 
postmaster @
 aol .
 com gets good results in tracking abuses.
I was quite impressed upon my first visit to AOL to discover that
they have a small department dedicated to mail/news/security 
abuses.  Whatever problems AOL brought to the net years ago,
they are committed to avoiding and being good netizens.
 
> Without question, AOL is the only major ISP to have a total "hand's
> off" policy in this regard.  Netcom, PSI, UUNET, BARRNET, MCI, and
> Sprint all seem to be reasonably responsive (in my experience).  I
> wonder if any of this is a factor in the recently filed class action
> suit against AOL.

AOL is not exactly what I'd call an ISP, but I have found AOL to be 
quite responsive in addressing problems caused by their users.
The class action suit you mention is about billing issues, not
security.

Yes, ANS is owned by AOL, but I am speaking as a fellow sysadmin/
listowner/security-type, not as an employee.

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