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Subject: Re: Encouragement of Service
From: Mike . Baxter @ ashridge . org . uk (Mike Baxter)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:28:11 +0100
To: firewalls @ greatcircle . com, Dave Horsfall <dave @ fgh . oz . au>

     From reading this it sounds like you have problems with internal calls 
     going out to your ISP. My understanding is that the Cisco IOS allows a 
     maximum call length and spoofing for ISDN services, it is not worth 
     looking into these. You have said that you are not allowing inbound 
     calls so you have control over the connections.
     
     Hope this helps, with a bit of luck one of the Cisco guys on this list 
     will come back with details :-).
     
     Mike Baxter


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Subject: Encouragement of Service
Author:  Dave Horsfall <dave @
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Date:    23/07/96 14:46


We've all heard about Denial of Service; well, here's the opposite...
     
We have a dial-on-demand ISDN service (they aren't exactly cheap).  After 
some prodding, I got around to putting some basic filtering on the 2503; 
no spoofing, no inbound unless established, that sort of thing.
     
I was horrified to discover that the router hadn't dropped the call for 
some days (I shudder at the bill we're going to get)...  It turned out 
that the rejection of RIP packets from the outside (just being very 
conservative, I suppose) was causing outbound ICMP admin unreachable 
messages, which were NOT being logged, despite my "log" everywhere, and 
which were keeping the line up!
     
It occurred to me that this could be the basis of another attack - just 
flood us with PINGs.  We refuse them - the line stays up.  We acknowledge 
them - the line stays up.  We lose either way...
     
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FGH Decision Support Systems P/L, 77 Pacific Hwy, Nth. Sydney, 2060, Australia
     

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