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Subject: Re: SYN floods - possible solution?
From: Adam Shostack <adam @ homeport . org>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 09:12:47 -0500 (EST)
To: murchiso @ vivid . newbridge . com
Cc: firewall-1 @ applicom . co . il, firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <Pine . SOL . 3 . 95 . 960913012131 . 10525A-100000 @ tartarus> from "Roderick Murchison, Jr." at Sep 13, 96 01:36:54 am

There may be real connections from machines which can not be
pinged.

If your firewall is a smart relay, it could send a rst after a short
time without seeing an inbound SYN/ACK.

Adam


Roderick Murchison, Jr. wrote:

| Ditto... I just woke up *again* with a kludgy but potential defense...
| sorry if this is totally out of whack, but I'm really beat!
| 
| Ok.  say you have a firewall between your network and you Internet
| connection.  If that firewall could detect and *detain* a segment with the
| SYN option set, then see if the set source IP answers an ICMP echo
| request, we could effectively determine whether or not the SYN could be
| dropped at the firewall and not sent through to spam our hosts.  If the
| source responds, release the SYN and let it pass through to the intended
| host.  If it does not, trash the SYN and log the failure.


-- 
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once."
					               -Hume



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