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Subject: Re: SparcLinux/OS for a secure bastion host !
From: Darren Reed <avalon @ coombs . anu . edu . au>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 01:27:22 +1000 (EST)
To: alan @ lxorguk . ukuu . org . uk (Alan Cox)
Cc: firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM, sparclinux @ vger . rutgers . edu, bugtraq @ netspace . org

In some mail from Alan Cox, sie said:
> 
> > I don't see what point data leakage in mbuf's and ethernet frames makes.
> > That "other" data isn't going to be interpreted by anything, so you may
> > as well be tunnelling data some easier way.  Not to mention that if
> 
> Not tunnels. Consider the case when you have stuff inside your firewall
> box (network A) and a listener outside on network B (who maybe has broken
> an external unprotected customer box deliberately outside the firewall).
> 
> Now broadcasts and potentially other traffic going from internal users to
> the network A interface of the firewall box includes potentially useful data
> (rip broadcasts, telnets in from dumber configurations, ftp upload passwords).
> If you cause a regular stream of acks back to you with no data you get
> stuff on the external ethernet seeing things like
> 
> 	[EthernetHeader][IP header][TCP header][Trailing junk...]
> 
> Where trailing junk occasionally contains stuff like
> 
> "USER foo"
> "PASS bletch"
> 
> or conversations with things like a TIS proxy.

Hmmm, I had my doubts about how effective this was, until now, when your
comments made me RTFS.  Minimum first packet sizes and buffering size
rounding buffer sizes up (from odd, non-word aligned) seem to be a problem.

Have to hack some code to see how often mbuf sizes are rounded down...

I guess the interesting thing to ponder is will your router also reliably
round packet sizes up ?

Darren


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