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Subject: RE: NT Security
From: Bill Stout <bill . stout @ hidata . com>
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 16:11:23 -0700
To: Firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM (Firewalls)

At 10:12 AM 10/1/96 +0200, G6 CPT Bates wrote:
...
>However, we have run into speed bumps with individuals processing   
classified information on unclassified 
>...
>We do not have the budget nor training to install expensive 
firewalls at   the Division level.  We think less, but more 
robust machines running NT   workstation on both the class 
and unclass LAN/WAN's, would offer what we   require in terms 
of processing power and NT's excellent   auditing/security.  
However, it is very expensive, both in terms of   equipment, 
and personnel, to maintain these two NT LAN's.  While I have   
yet to see someone hack an NTFS partition with permissions 
and other   holes plugged up (watched a couple of DISA's best 
guys try), the security   goons still have conniption fits 
about placing classified data on an   unclassified NTFS 
partition.  Any word on when NT will be network   certified?? 
>...

Ha ha ha ha ho ho he.

As an ex-crypto (MOS 31S) and 'other duties as assigned' Army 
vet, good luck!  I sure hope you're not really putting classified 
data on NT systems in unclassified nets!  If you know of 
someone who has, get the S2 to have a nice long talk with them.
I pay nose-bleed taxes to support god-knows-what covert and
non-covert politicial and military actions which I may or may 
not agree with, and had put my own neck on the line in the insane 
live-fire environment of the Korean DMZ and other environments
to 'protect our freedoms' (which keep diminishing thanks to our 
own Governments' occasional Socialist/Tyrannistic binges), and 
I'd hate to see my hard-earned tax dollars be blown so easily.

NT is breakable.  UNIX is breakable.  Unless you know exactly
what you are doing, I guaran'f-ing'tee you, you will leave 
security holes open.  DISA's 'best' are not 'the best' hackers 
in the world by far.  The best are out there in the private 
industry making the big bucks, talking to developers, comparing 
notes, and, hacking.

NT will have Kerberos 5 authentication which is probably what 
you are thinking of.  But even thought an O.S. may have strong 
internal security mechanisms, that security mechanism never 
leaves the local machine.  Once a external connection is made 
into a machine, some service aliases what it authenticated, to 
some valid internal user.  Your internal O.S. has process-to-process 
communciations that can be snooped, your client-to-server process 
can be spoofed, external sessions can be hijacked, and your external 
data can be sniffed.

There is a biblical prophesy which talks about a statue of 
the great world empires made of gold, silver, copper, legs 
of iron etc.  This great powerful statue collapsed because a 
stone was thrown at it's feet which were made of clay mixed 
with iron.  Silcon and wires?  Food for thought.


Bill Stout
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