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Subject: Re: Firewalls vs Blocking Sites
From: Rafi Sadowsky <rafi @ tavor . openu . ac . il>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:11:37 +0200 (IST)
To: Ron DuFresne <dufresne @ parka . winternet . com>
Cc: "W.C. Epperson" <epperson @ vak12ed . edu>, firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <Pine . SOL . 3 . 91 . 961102111218 . 1112A-100000 @ parka . winternet . com>
Reply-to: Rafi Sadowsky <rafi @ tavor . openu . ac . il>

well this is second time I've seen your message & it seems to be a
frequent occurence :-(
havn't checked to see if every message is doubled though ....

examining the headers it seems that your mail is relayed via
darkstar.sysinfo.com unless it should be it may be bouncing back all the
mails
 ( sorry - no time to check all the headers from the firewalls list :-( )
add to that that I don't find either of darkstar.sysinfo.com or
204.246.65.62 in the DNS database + the fact that there is no route to
that IP address ( get stuck in ibm.net's backbone network with a host
unreachable ) - something funny is going on

Enjoy (?)
	Rafi

P.S. what has the firewalls list owner to say :
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From: Ron DuFresne <dufresne @
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On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, Ron DuFresne wrote:

> 
> Am I the only one here getting dupes of postings to the list days after 
> I've already gone through them?  Is this a problem fron the mailing list 
> side, or is my ISP screwing up again?
> 
> Thanks, later,
> 
> Ron DuFresne
> 
> 
> On Thu, 31 Oct 1996, W.C. Epperson wrote:
> 
> > Wayne could of sed:
> > > -> By the way, I've already gotten calls from people who said they lost a lot
> > > -> of sleep over their PC being blocked.  Knew they were doing the wrong
> > > -> thing.  I think its working.  (Of couse this is before we limited
> > > -> it to porno sites only).
> > > -> 
> > > 
> > > Actually, have you thought of the legal ramifications of all this?
> > > 
> > > Since you have exerted control over access to sites, you have now assumed
> > > responsibility for the material that does get through. 
> > > 
> > > 	"It's not my fault judge, since this site wasn't blocked
> > > 	I thought it was officially approved"
> > > 	
> > > Wham! Multi-million dollar harrasment suit.
> > [snip]
> > 
> > This conjecture is often made in discussions of location and/or content
> > filtering, but I have not seen any case law that would remotely support it.
> > (Caveat:  I'm not a lawyer, but I'll play one on the golf course if the
> > strokes are right).  I assume folks are analogizing/extrapolating on 
> > decisions that providers have given up their right to a "common carrier"
> > defense and have become "publishers" when they begin to control content in
> > any fashion, but those have to do with liability for publishing libel, 
> > obscenity, etc.  That's a very different situation from that of an employer
> > who deploys a technical solution that partially implements an access policy 
> > of which employees have been properly informed.  If there are statutes or
> > case precedents that would support an employer's harrassment liability 
> > for completing the policy implementation via monitoring and applying 
> > sanctions, I'd like to know about them.
> > --
> > W.C. Epperson			"I have great faith in fools. 
> > Senior SE                        Self-confidence, my friends call it."
> > Information Security Officer             --Edgar Allan Poe--
> > DBA Emeritus
> > Curmudgeon-for-Life
> > Virginia Dept. of Education	        
> > epperson @
 pen .
 k12 .
 va .
 us
> > 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It
> eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
> business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
> 	***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
> 
> OK, so you're a Ph.D.  Just don't touch anything.
> 





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