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Subject: Re: Why would someone want an NT firewall?
From: "Paul M. Cardon" <pmarc @ cmg . fcnbd . com>
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 96 18:37:57 -0600
To: Adrian Knight <knight @ Harding . edu>
Cc: Firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <Pine . PMDF . 3 . 91 . 961205082810 . 639631998C-100000 @ Harding . edu>
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Reply-to: pmarc @ cmg . fcnbd . com

A little green man told me Adrian Knight said:
> 2) We don't want to hire a rocket scientist to manage our firewall.  A
> message earlier referred to firewalls being "necessarilly technical."
> That's bogus.  I think it's possible that a lot of people making money off
> of firewalls might want to keep them that way, but there are a lot of
> average people out there who want to AND CAN handle managing a firewall
> right along with the MANY other types of systems that are also included in
> our job responsibilities.  In this age of computers, it is no longer valid
> to try to convince people that computers are just too complicated for the
> average person.
>
> Because our firewall is on an NT platform and has a good GUI, I can be
> gone for a couple of weeks and even my boss, a manager, can sit down and
> make changes to the firewall comfortably.  Several other people in the
> computing department with the passowrd could do the same if they had to.
> After two years, nobody else could sit down to my Solaris box and do
> anything except manage to shut things down.

Oh boy, where's my soapbox.  Grrr...

I'll give you #1 and #3.  The fact that your expertise is with Windows NT  
rather than Unix and the price comparison of the system hardware and software  
were both valid factors to be considered in your decision.

This shows a very naive view of security.  Your argument about vendors  
realizing that computers and software are too complicated may be valid for  
the end-user, but important systems such as security systems are much  
different.  They are necessarily technical because they are only tools.   
Improved user interfaces or programming logic are a long way from being able  
to completely replace a skilled individual making decisions on technical  
issues.  Personally, I doubt they ever will.  Computers can decrease the  
amount of time it takes to perform a task or reduce the complexity of  
managing a task but will never eliminate the need for expertise in a  
particular field.

It is quite possible to comfortably make changes to a firewall and end up  
with an insecure configuration and be none the wiser.  The same holds for  
trading systems, medical systems, etc.  They essentially magnify the skill of  
the person using them.  If the operator is clueless, the system will often  
be perfectly willing to let them to do foolish things.  I know of no  
commercial firewall on any platform that will totally prevent an  
administrator from setting up an insecure configuration.

If anybody who is permitted to make changes to a firewall does not have a  
thorough understanding of "technical" security issues then their problems  
will not be solved by ANY product.  Even a fool can be sincere in their  
intentions.

Claiming that managing a firewall shouldn't require significant expertise  
contradicts your first reason for choosing NT.  It is no more or less  
difficult in general to properly administer a Windows NT environment than a  
Solaris environment.  Windows NT does not even come close to the goal of  
being easily managed compared to any other major OS.  Look at the level of  
in-depth knowledge that Russ displays about NT security.  Particular tasks  
are easier in one or the other environment but I would want equally skilled  
administrators in either environment

(I am part of a team that manages a large mixed NT and Solaris environment  
with a significant investment in both operating systems.  I am the principle  
member of the team who works heavily with both.  This provides its own unique  
challenges. See my .sig ;-)

The OS issue is much less important than a thorough understanding of  
security implications.  Unfortunately, a lot of people are spending far too  
much time debating the platform when it doesn't really matter as long as it  
can cover security requirements to some verifiable extent that satisfies an  
organization's risk management objectives.

I was much more verbose than I intended to be, but that's what happens when  
somebody pushes my vent button.  It's really sad to think that I'm probably  
not biting on a troll either.

---
Paul M. Cardon - System Officer
Capital Markets Systems - First Chicago NBD Corporation
pmarc @
 cmg .
 fcnbd .
 com - (312) 732-7392

Sisyphus and loving it.

I never give them hell.  I just tell the truth and they think it's hell.     
- H. Truman

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