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Subject: Re: irc and firewalls
From: Gordy Thompson <gordy @ nytimes . com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:14:22 -0500
To: firewalls @ greatcircle . com

        [Apologies for having to send this a second time, but if there were
any answers to its first appearance they were lost in the ground clutter.]

At 01:39 PM 2/20/97 +0000, Danny Cox <dannyc @
 gmap .
 leeds .
 ac .
 uk> wrote
(quoting ArkanoiD <ark @
 paranoid .
 convey .
 ru>):

>> *blocking* dcc is easy. *proxying* dcc is real pain in the ass. afaik no
>> one (except maybe commercial firewall manufacturers) succeed in doing that
>> :(.
>
>Right .. thanks.  I don't really care about proxying dcc anyway .. I would
>like to know how to proxy irc in a secure manner though.
>
>> Doesn't require/use UDP.  DCC channels are client-client.  The _main_
>> problem with IRC from a security standpoint is naive users using IRC and
>> super-duper clients which can easily be turned into remote shells.
>
>Hmm .. okay.  Are there any ways that folk can recommend to handle irc then
>other than not to handle it at all?

        Since UDP isn't involved and basic IRC uses a well-known port,
wouldn't plug-gw work for this?

plug-gw: port 6677 your.subnets.*.* -plug-to some_irc_server -port 6677

        The DCC insecurities (if I understand correctly that inbound DCC
initiates connections on _random_ ports) are already dealt with if you're
already controlling connection attempts to your other firewall ports.

        What am I missing here?

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