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Subject: RE: Apology
From: Russ <Russ . Cooper @ RC . on . ca>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:22:56 -0400
To: "firewalls @ greatcircle . com" <firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM>, "'Stuart Johnson'" <sjohnson @ weasel . owl . de>

Let's see, either you work for Owl (but I don't think so), or you desire
to keep your company's identity a secret. You use your apology to the
list to re-affirm your claims against the various individuals, so
obviously your are not really feeling sorry you sent your original
message. You claim now to have additional independent support of your
claims, but obviously you can't divulge your sources. You didn't divulge
any sources in your first message either.

But we should trust you, and believe you, and presumably accept your
very half-hearted apology. I don't think so.

Stuart, if you are truly interested in having an impact by helping other
would-be buyers of this "technology", why not try and get a little
credibility first? If you are not interested in truly helping, or don't
feel you should have to have any credibility to make the kinds of bogus
claims you are making (and now saying you have further confirmation of),
then why did you make the claims in the first place?

In my opinion, your lack of desire to appear in any way credible in your
first message led me to believe you are either attempting to affect
stock prices or you are a competitor (of course you could also just be
trying to create a gig for yourself as a purveyor of supposed inside
goop for the net-media). In any event, I considered you a NetLoon
although I haven't said so until now.

Got a company name? Who's your boss so we can find out if you are even
doing a survey? What are your credentials to say you can even figure out
the difference from a supposed customer vs. a forged mail from a
competitor? You trust email as gospel?

Get some business savvy Stuart and then come back to us after you've had
*your* education, maybe your experiences will be worthy of attention,
but for now you're either being manipulated, or manipulative. As for
being put on "trial", what you say publicly is subject to the
interpretation of those that read it, that's just the way it is, accept
it an move on.

> Cheers,
> Russ
> R.C. Consulting, Inc. - NT/Internet Security
> owner of the NTBugTraq mailing list:
> http://ntbugtraq.rc.on.ca/index.html
> 

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