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Subject: RE: [FW1] Out of Band Data Attack against NT-Hosts
From: Daniel Strawson <daniel @ elmail . co . uk>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:00:14 +0100 (BST)
To: Craig Brozefsky <craig @ onshore . com>
Cc: Jyri Kaljundi <jk @ stallion . ee>, Greg Loffel <greg . loffel @ alphawest . com . au>, fw-1-mailinglist @ us . checkpoint . com, Firewalls mailing list <Firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM>
In-reply-to: <Pine . 3 . 89 . 9706051017 . C732-0100000 @ onshore . com>


OK, public apology time - I've taken a look at this again.

The urgent point is not an IP option (as I had understood), but a TCP
option.  Hence, the 'IP Options' stuff in FW-1 hence doesn't apply and the
packets will get through.

For the record, however, FW-1 does drop all packets with IP header options
as none of these should be used nowadays (manual page 295).

Sorry for adding confusion.

Cheers,

Daniel

On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Craig Brozefsky wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Daniel Strawson wrote:
> 
> > Hang on a moment.
> > 
> > Let me put this in perspective.
> > 
> > As I understand it, this problem results from sending packets with a
> > particular IP option set in the header.  (Please confirm I'm right here
> > someone).
> > 
> > Firewall _SHOULD_ drop all packets with IP options set.  This would mean
> > that all Firewall-1 systems and systems behind Firewall-1 are impervious
> > to this attack. (something for Checkpoint to be proud of).
> 
> Uhm, I don't have any RFCs or source code in front of me right now, but 
> my understanding was that several options would need to get thru, OOB 
> being one of them, as some applications make use of it, telnet for 
> instance if I'm not mistake (tho I may be and invite correction).
> 
> > Note that it is not as such a FW-1 insecurity - you cannot get FW-1 to
> > crash, you get the NT system that it is running on to crash, so it is not
> > an insecurity, but a claimed feature that doesn't work.
> 
> Not how I would interpret it.  I would consider this the responsibility 
> of he FW vendor.  They are responsible for the TCP/IP stack IMO.  If they 
> aren't replacing it, then they are assumign the OS vendor is competent, 
> not something I would agree with.
> 
> Craig Brozefsky              craig @
 onshore .
 com
> onShore Inc.                 http://www.onshore.com/~craig
> Development Team             p_priority=PFUN+(p_work/4)+(2*p_cash)
> 
> 



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