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Subject: Re: Stateful Packet Filters vs. Proxies
From: "Simon J. Gerraty" <sjg @ quick . com . au>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:43:59 +1000 (EST)
To: Geoff Mulligan <geoff @ mulligan . com>
Cc: firewalls @ greatcircle . com
References: <199706091830 . MAA02426 @ future . mulligan . com>

Geoff Mulligan writes:
>sjg @
 quick .
 com .
 au said:
>> One thing to note - SPF and crypto do not mix. 

>What!  Certainly SPF and crypto do mix.  Take a look at Sunscreen.  It is a 
>stateful packet screen AND supports strong crypto through the use of SKIP.

Link level crypto, sure.  Not everyone likes that though.
I was refering to folk trying to use SSLftp, where the connection is
authenticated and encrypted at the application level.  Because a SPF
cannot look inside the payload in such a case, the dynamic opening of
ports will fail.

>Maybe you meant to say that NAT and crypto do not mix, but again depending on 

Funny, you're the 2nd person to suggest that.  But no, I mean exactly
what I said.  Think about it - why would NAT be a problem? Because the
SPF cannot look inside the payload (for the port command to translate
the address and open a window for the return data connection to the
listed port).  Turn off NAT, and what changes - the SPF cannot look
inside the payload so see the port command - to open a window for the
return data connection.  The result is the same with or without NAT,
the SPF does not allow the in-bound connection.

--sjg
-- 
Simon J. Gerraty        <sjg @
 quick .
 com .
 au>

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