>Russ, Frank & other,
>
>I beleive, Bill made the comment due to the political issues between Israel
>and Palestin. Its not because Checkpoint's product is not secure or
>recommendation from a "security expert". I suppose its a issue of boycott
>the product. Bill, am I rite ??
Yes, that is more than a fair assumption. Now let's ask abut Palan's
country's position on this boycott! Those of us who know the history of this
myopia know that Malasia has been one of the supporters. Done stupid things,
like not let the Israel Philharmonic play in Malaysia.
C'mon guys.
If Checkpoint is suspect, and Mossad won't make a statement, it's because they
refuse to answer to questiions like, "Why did you stop beating your wife and
kids?" Huh? Just ask Raptor if it has a backdoor tie to the CIA, or NSA ("no
such agency"). Or better yet, just ask the Deuxieme Bureau if it wiretaps
hotel rooms in Paris. ;_) >
>rgds,
>PaLaN
>
>At 11:26 AM 6/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>>C'mon Russ. In the first place, neither the Mossad, nor Checkpoint
>>will
>>>make a public statement about this - whether it is true or not. (And
>>if
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>Just out of curiousity, Russ. Generally, your responses to this
>>>list are fairly mellow & even-handed. However, there was a lot
>>>of vigor in your defense of Checkpoint's firewall. By chance,
>>>do you happen to sell or resell the Checkpoint firewall?
>>
>>Actually, Frank, I think if you really look back at my posting style its
>>more like I come on strongly against vague supposition and innuendo and
>>call for facts, statements, and details. That's certainly how I see
>>myself.
>>
>>I would have made the same argument regardless of the vendor involved
>>since, as you also said, its impossible to answer the question of a
>>connection between a vendor and an agency to any sufficient degree. At
>>what point does a connection become a problem for customers of the
>>vendors product anyway? What's the connection, I mean, what does it
>>entail? So asking the question about any vendor shouldn't be just "is
>>there a connection". Most Firewall vendors have former employees of this
>>or that agency, so why should that alone make them suspect?
>>
>>I don't sell anything other than my own advice and my advice is always
>>based on a complete picture, not partial snap-shots (i.e. I look at both
>>the vendor and customer position and state my beliefs understanding both
>>sides). I receive nothing for my choices, only the viability of the
>>solution I propose (iow, I get no commissions from anyone).
>>
>>I use Check Point products, and recommend them, but I also use and
>>recommend Digital's, Raptor, Global Internet, and others. As I said in
>>my post, the particular requirements of a customers environment dictate
>>the best product for the job.
>>
>>I guess we all need our integrity questioned every once in a while.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Russ
>>R.C. Consulting, Inc. - NT/Internet Security
>>owner of the NTBugTraq mailing list:
>>http://ntbugtraq.rc.on.ca/index.html
>>
>
>
>Network Sec²rity Engineer
>West Malaysia.
>
>" Hey, here is my key ... lets exchange packets now !! "
>
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