Frank,
Moan Moan, whats wrong with 95 % of the desktop market? : -)
You know, I cannot believe that people today shop for automobiles, and make
choices. Wait till Microsoft come out with a car. Then we will all die!
MS MKTG : Power Brakes ( well mabe in the 2007 Model)
MS MKTG : Relaible Starting ( Sure, every time it stalls, you can restart it)
etc etc.
Can anyone explain how we let this happen. I didn't, I still use a Mac! (
And a Sun, and a Linus Machien, and a HP and......, but no MS)
Kevin
(ps When Banks use MS Firewalls, I am going over the other side, and then
retire...I know a bank or to today using NT RAS to authenticate Home Dial
in Banking......anyone want the Bank Names?)
At 13:25 +0100 1/7/97, Frank Willoughby wrote:
>At 09:31 PM 6/30/97 -0500, Vin McLellan <vin @
shore .
net> allegedly wrote:
>
>Thanks for mail, Vin,
>
>8< [snip]
>
>> Though Microsoft (MSFT) says it doesn't plan to
>> compete with firewall vendors, its plans to add
>> firewall security features to the next version of its
>> Proxy Server software could shake up the firewall
>> software market.
>
><ROTFL>. Yeah, right. Just like M$ didn't *plan* to compete with
>Novell, Netscape, etc. M$ doesn't really compete, they simply see
>what someone else does well (like a market leader), puts these
>functionalities into their own products & then they use their
>marketing muscle to drive their product out the door & competitors
>into the ground.
>
>Personally, I am not at all impressed with M$'s predatory business
>practices. I think they will keep pushing the limits of what is
>right & legal to do and will probably get their clock cleaned by
>the Justice Dept. or the FTC. Given their predatory practices,
>I wouldn't be surprised if they were sniffing their own network
>(MSN) for competitive info, or ideas for new projects. (Nothing
>legally wrong with that - it *is* their own network). Note: I
>didn't say they were doing it - I just said I wouldn't be surprised.
>
>
>> The next version of Proxy Server goes into beta
>> testing in July; it will include firewall features
>> designed to block intruders on the Internet from
>> getting onto a company's internal networks,
>> Microsoft officials said. The features could hurt
>> sales of firewall software for Windows NT in
>> particular, and NT has been the market's hottest
>> segment.
>>
>> The move should come as no surprise, says Rob
>> Enderle, an analyst at Giga Information Group. It's
>> been clear since Microsoft introduced its first
>> version of Proxy Server that it would add firewall
>> functions.
>
>I think Rob is 100%correct. IMHO, the Proxy Server was just to
>test the water to see how the market would respond. As people
>are expecting M$ to come out with a firewall, I would say that
>M$ will (once again) change its mind and wade into the market.
>
>
>> Microsoft's decision could hurt makers of firewall
>> software, such as Raptor Systems. In February
>> Raptor announced a low-end firewall, called "The
>> Wall," targeted at small and mid-sized companies.
>> The Centri firewall from Global Internet.Com also
>> targets that space; sometime Microsoft ally Cisco
>> Systems announced last week it's buying Centri and
>> Global Internet.Com's software group.
>
>I see no immediate danger to major firewall vendors from M$. For
>the most part, they already have a solid reputation on the market
>& know how to design secure products. M$ doesn't have this
>reputation yet (and will probably have to do a huge PR campaign
>to try to restore confidence about their ability to deliver secure
>products). The new kids on the block will probably fade away when
>competing with M$.
>
>M$ has two main disadvantages:
>o They seem to be deficient in their ability to write secure TCP/IP
> stacks.
>o They seem to have problems in trying to write tight, clean, code
> - an important prerequisite in writing a secure applications
> such as firewalls.
>
>INFOSEC PROGRAMMING DESIGN RULE #1
>The larger the size of the code, the greater the probability that
>the code will contain vulnerabilities which can be exploited.
>
>Another thing. As time passes, & NT becomes more prevalent, the
>hackers will redirect their efforts to NT and will start picking
>it apart (like they have with other vendors). IMHO, I think it
>is just a matter of time until we start seeing nonprived users
>able to gain privs by exploiting vulnerabilities in individual
>programs (buffer overflows, etc). Particularly sensitive are
>those programs which perform prived functions on behalf of
>non-prived users.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>
>Frank
>The opinions of the author of this mail may not necessarily be
>representative of the opinions of Fortifed Networks, Inc.
>
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