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Subject: Re: Microsoft plans to offer a firewall
From: "Kelly E. Gibbs" <kgibbs @ best . com>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
To: Anton J Aylward <anton @ the-wire . com>
Cc: firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <3 . 0 . 32 . 19970702080847 . 007b15d0 @ the-wire . com>

Companies that have formed some aliance with Microsoft will eventually be
burned themselves.  Take Digital for example.  M$ paided DEC millions to
retrain their VMS consultants for NT, and Digital thought there would be
millions in NT consulting - instead they discovered just the opposite and
as a result, had to layoff some of the new NT force.  Now for my opinion:
I think M$ simply wrote the $20M (or what ever value it was) off, just so
DEC would loose some of their workforce and would no longer pose any threat
to NT (not that it did today anyway, but just in case!).  I believe that M$
would just love to completely destroy VMS and Digital UNIX, but again, this
is purely speculation.  I'm sure some of the firewall companies have
embraced M$ and think they have formed an aliance (even through MSDN or
other offerings), but this is about money, and M$ could care less.  

I really believe that Apple was the primary target of M$, not only to rid
the OS from the face of this earth, but to shut the company down.  It's my
opinion that M$ purposely developed the Mac products to run as sub-standard
software just to people would migrate to Intel in disappointment. 

I believe the next company we'll see inflicted by the sting of M$ is
Netscape.  Eventually, Sun, SCO, and other UNIX vendors will feel the pain;
although it may take ten more years before there just memories of the
past.  

What bothers me the most and I think a lot of you will agree, is that as
we move forward, and technology advances, M$ will continue to plague our
systems with sub-standard, highly propriatary, applications.  Rebooting is
well accepted today, and most of us who run NT servers just live with that
- what else is there; do we have a choice?  M$ has affected all of our
lives, and some of us like/dislike M$, it doesn't matter.  The masses will
continue to flock to the almightly [Microsoft], and no one will be able to
go up against the supreme deliverer of software.  Gee, if Hitler were
around he'd love to be in Bill Gate's shoes: World Dominance - what a
concept!  Same principle - just applied to software that's all.

Throughout M$'s wonderful climb to dominate the world, where's the
Justice Department?  I wonder if Janet Reno uses '95?  Wonder if she owned
share's of Apple stock in the past?  

On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Anton J Aylward wrote:

> At 11:20 AM 01/07/97 -0700, osiris wrote:
> ## Reply Start ##
> 
> >A company that cannot make even the simplest implementations of IP
> >secure are going to be offering a firewall. Now I've heard everything.
> >Is this actually confirmed?
> 
> I very strongly suggest you read a book called
> 
> 	Extraordinary Popular Delusings and the Madnesses of Crowds
> 		by Charles Mackay, LLD
> 
> It was published in 1841 and is still in print, which should tell you
> something.
> 
> It is not  'fun' book, nor easy to read.
> If it were written today publishers would refuse it because of its heavy
> style and language, just like they would refuse Shakespear.
> 
> Even if you only read the first two chapters, 88 pages in my volume, you
> will suffer various enlightenments.
> 
> I have no doubts that many companies will buy microsoft's firewall purely 
> because it comes from microsoft.  We have already seen that they have turned
> of their critical faculties and, to misquote Bonhoeffer, have decided
> that "Bill Gates Is My Conscience".
> 
> I expect to make a lot of money in coming years.
> Not only from InfoSec consulting, but also from Marcus Ranum's idea of
> selling short companies which put themselves in a highly exposed position.
> 
> 
> /anton
> 
> >
> ## Reply End ##
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 



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