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Subject: Re: Linux et al PFs
From: Greg Whalin <gwhalin @ numerix . com>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:02:10 -0600 (CST)
To: john <zaph0d @ phawd . com-stock . com>
Cc: Firewall list <firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM>
In-reply-to: <Pine . BSF . 3 . 96 . 971030215530 . 6838A-100000 @ phawd . com-stock . com>

OK, fine, I can accept that this is your opinion.  Unfortunately,
platforms adequate for firewall use should not be based upon opinion, but
on fact and/or example.  What situations were you in when your system
"cracked".  If you have a linux system that is cracking when put to the
test, then I question your ability to set up a "well configured, "stable"
machine".  As I have stated, I use several linux servers running on
(actual) well configured platforms as corporate firewall systems with
heavy network bandwidth demand.  They perform brilliantly every time.  I
have zero OS related crashes in over two years of uptime.  In fact, the
only crashes I have handled are hardware related.  I would venture a guess
as to say that your statements are biased, or uninformed, or quite simply
that you are not setting these systems up correctly.

I am not here to say that linux is better than any BSD variant.  In fact,
I am not even discussing any BSD OS.  I am simply stating that your claims
as to the stability, reliability, and performance of linux as a viable
firewall platform are wrong and without any basis of fact or example.

--------------------
Greg Whalin
gwhalin @
 numerix .
 com

On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, john wrote:

> Actually, i'm on a Linux 2.0.30 machine right now. I've run linux since
> near it's inception and I can say it's a nice OS, for a devolper. I've
> seen it put to the test - and granted - it sometimes runs ok, but far more
> times i've seen it croak and die, on well configured, "stable" machines..
> 
> I've been running FreeBSD for all of my commercial applications, be they
> serveing webpages, or firewalling, and i've been much more impressed with
> it's stability, sense of security, and in some respects, it's preformance.
> 
> If I was to ever consider useing either of them for something that needed
> to be protected, I would choose FreeBSD - no questions asked.
> 
> But I will always love Linux for my home masqueradeing setup :)
> 
> Not saying one is nessescarly better than the other, they both have their
> applications. But for firewalling, and packet filtering, BSD definatly has
> the edge. In my opinion.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Joe Klemmer wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, john wrote:
> > 
> > > In my experience... with the free OS's, this is what I have to say:
> > > 
> > > Linux is good for low bandwidth situations where setup time is a concern,
> > > and reliability isn't an absolute nesscity.
> > > 
> > > FreeBSD/OpenBSD/NetBSD etc has proven to generally be reliable in
> > > high-stress conditions, but isn't quite as easy to setup.
> > 
> > 	It must have been a long time since you've looked at Linux, then.
> > It's current state is equal or better at networking that the BSD's.
> > 
> > ---
> > Microsoft is not the answer.      |      In a World Without Fences,
> > Microsoft is the question,        |      Who Needs Gates?
> > NO is the answer.                 |      Linux - http://www.linux.org
> > 
> > 
> 



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