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Subject: Re: Hijak detection
From: "Paul D. Robertson" <proberts @ clark . net>
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:29:15 -0500 (EST)
To: Adam Shostack <adam @ homeport . org>
Cc: Frank Willoughby <frankw @ in . net>, firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <199711050809 . DAA01853 @ homeport . org>

On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Adam Shostack wrote:

> The point that (doy?) made is that session hijacking produces a flood
> of shit as you jam in packets in the hopes of getting the numbers
> right.  (Since the other guy is transmitting at the same time as you,
> you often send a slew of packets, to get them into the stack first.)
> There are a number of papers on detecting this sort of thing, many
> published in the months after Tsutomo was hacked.

Even in an ideal hijack, you'd see traffic from the attacker and the
victim at the same time, one would suppose you could alert on that even if
the attacker was sniffing sequence numbers instead of guessing them.

Paul
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