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Subject: Re: R: Unlimited Users Firewalls
From: Steve Kruse <jsk347 @ worldnet . att . net>
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:21:48 -0500
To: hagan @ cih . com, Franco RUGGIERI <fruggieri @ selfin . net>
Cc: GreatCircle forum <firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM>
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IMHO...an additional policy would include something to the effect:

"...the security manager shall escrow with the (pick one 
here..President, Technology manager, Operations manager...) office 
all passwords, access controls, keys and other such mechanisms to 
which the Security Officer normally has the only access.  This 
information shall be placed in a sealed envelope, proctected by a 
security seal or other tamperproof mechanism, and locked in a secure 
cabinet, safe or desk to which only the escrow officer has access.  
This information shall be updated and re-sealed upon any change 
within the same business day such changes are made"....   

If the S.O. **DOES** get hit by a bus, at least SOMEONE can get 
access to the FW, routers and other things should it become 
necessary.

Comments welcome...Flames Ignored! 
At 04:59 PM 11/5/97 +0000, Craig I. Hagan wrote:
>> Craig,		
>> please tell me your opinion on this statement of mine (many people 
have
>> been burned alive for much less than that).
>> 
>> A firewall is something that must not be tampered with, so the 
fewer people
>> know something about it (in the organization it is there to 
protect) the
>> better. Thus, a UNIX O.S. is a good thing in an environment where 
many
>> people know NT, i.e. almost everywhere.
>
>many takes.
>
>the short one is that if the above were true, and the firewall 
person
>left, was hit by a bus, etc, then the company is *FUCKED*. 
Additionally,
>you may need to change the firewall to reflect changes in security 
policy
>-- after all, the firewall merely enacts policy, it doesn't create 
it. 
>
>A better method, imho, of saying it (perhaps what you meant) would 
be:
>
>"
>Firewalls exist to enact corporate security policy. Since this 
policy
>changes infrequently, access controls to the firewall should be both
>severely restricted, and logged in such a way as to make any and all
>actions obvious to an experienced administrator. Additionally, all 
changes
>made to the firewall must go through authorized change control 
procedures
>so that they can accurately reflect the security policy, and the 
coding
>can be properly reviewed to make sure that policy is correctly 
enacted. 
>"
>
>IMHO, knowledge is a good thing: if everyone knew about the 
firewall, how
>it worked, and WHY it did what it did, and even the source code of 
the
>firewall, it shouldn't matter if the firewall properly enacts your
>policies (and they demand stringent access control). In fact, if the
>people in the company were knowledgeable, then they would likely 
know the
>policy and WHY it was in effect. 
>
>As for the OS choice of the firewall, unix/NT/OS2/mac/DOS/whatever,
>security through obscurity is the worst case scenario in that you 
are
>banking on people not knowing something rather than proper access 
controls
>and channels to facilitate this. 
>
>A better question might be: if you are using 
unix/NT/OS2/mac/DOS/whatever
>for a firewall, how could people (both internal and external) gain
>unauthorized access to the firewall? If your policy states that this
>should not be, then you should take every action to prevent it. For 
an NT
>machine, it may mean not participating in a domain, blocking all of 
the
>RPC/auth/whatever ports,disabling a rack of services,etc. for unix 
it may
>mean not participating in a YP/NIS domain, not running 
RPC/portmapper and
>a myriad of other daemons, etc. same ideas, different OS.  But, all 
comes
>down to policy and properly enacting it.
>
>
>-- craig
>
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>Craig I. Hagan     "It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to back 
it up"
>hagan(at)cih.com        "True hackers don't die, their ttl expires"
>  	"It takes a village to raise an idiot, but an idiot can raze a 
village"
>
>	Stop the spread of spam, use a sendmail condom!
>	     http://www.cih.com/~hagan/smtpd-hacks
>
>
>
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