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Subject: RE: FW-1 and FIN scanning (was: nmap tool)
From: Robert Ståhlbrand <robert . stahlbrand @ nmac . ericsson . se>
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:47:19 +0100
To: "'Steve Birnbaum'" <sbirn @ security . org . il>, "'Marek Kubita'" <marek @ corpus . cz>
Cc: "'firewalls @ greatcircle . com'" <firewalls @ greatcircle . com>

Another hi!

We pretty much mean the same thing. The thing you said about a new SYN
from "it" did confuse me. You meant a new "SYN" (not really a packet
with SYN, just a SYN-alike order to the state-table) to the state-table.

But there is something importent that we have missed that all of a
sudden hit me. I don't think that FW-1 consider a packet with a FIN-flag
set to be a part of an established connection! What does FIN-mean? It's
a demand to take the session down! That is why is passes through...

/Robert Ståhlbrand, Ericsson Telecom AB


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Steve Birnbaum [SMTP:sbirn @
 security .
 org .
 il]
> Sent:	den 4 februari 1998 12:30
> To:	Robert Ståhlbrand
> Cc:	'Marek Kubita'; 'firewalls @
 greatcircle .
 com'
> Subject:	Re: FW-1 and FIN scanning (was: nmap tool) 
> 
> 
> robert .
 stahlbrand @
 nmac .
 ericsson .
 se said:
> > If think this is done with a cache with all current connections.
> When
> > you clear the table (installing a policy) he just puts this cache
> > somewhere and after it has been installed lifting the cache back in
> > the system. Why should you put in more effort?
> 
> I'm not so sure about that.  Like I said, my understanding is that the
> connections allowed in are those that might be possible given the
> outgoing
> rules.  That way it can dynamically rebuild the state table without
> having
> to re-establish the connection.
>   If something claiming to be established
> from outsidebox:80 is allowed to insidebox:4005 then if insidebox
> doesn't
> reset the connection but rather responds to it, then it was "surely"
> part of
> an established session, allowing the firewall to add it to the table.
> 
>   Steve
> 
> -- 
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 org .
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