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Subject: Re: socks versus fw-1 stateful inspection vulnerabilities
From: "Craig I. Hagan" <hagan @ cih . com>
Date: 02 Apr 1998 18:19:12 -0500
To: "Jon E. Price" <jon @ nytimes . com>
Cc: Firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM, gordy @ nytimes . com, theresa @ nytimes . com
In-reply-to: "Jon E. Price"'s message of "Wed, 01 Apr 1998 23:27:59 -0500"
References: <3 . 0 . 1 . 32 . 19980401232759 . 00897250 @ mailgate . nytimes . com>

"Jon E. Price" <jon @
 nytimes .
 com> writes:

> Are there any known or theoretical insecurities or vulnerabilities or other
> shortcomings (eg. performance) using socks or the fw-1 stateful inspection
> technologies?
> 
> If I have an application that can work with either fw-1 stateful inspection
> OR a socks relay what criteria can I use to choose?

think risk based. stateful inspection and/or circuit level firewalling (socks)
uses either analysis of the network layer, or misdirection of the network
layer to achieve security. This allows you to manage a great deal
of the risks out there on the net. The issue that you need
to confront is what risks do you wish to take/control. For
example, socks/SI/masq/NAT firewall technology can't handle
things like pulling activeX or java from web pages, they can't
easily log what (or permit/deny) type of ftp transaction occurred -- did you
put/get, what filename? Nor can they perform email relay
prevention/spam filtering, again best done at the application level
with an app proxy (smap or smtpd are examples thereof).

personally, i think that SI/NAT/masq/etc are good technologies
to use in constructing your firewall, but, you would want to
add application level proxying to handle those certain situations
where SI/etc just doesn't give you the power/flexibility
that is needed to properly do your risk management.

-- craig



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