From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 1 09:24:16 2004 Received: from mercury.mv.net (mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 862231B47E9 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11108 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 12:23:34 -0500 Received: from bnh-6-07.mv.com (HELO ?199.125.99.135?) (199.125.98.71) by mercury.mv.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 12:23:34 -0500 X-Peer-Info: remote-ip 199.125.98.71 local-ip 199.125.85.40 local-name mercury.mv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: simsoc@simsoc.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:15:45 -0500 To: list-managers@greatcircle.com From: John Watkins Subject: regular and digest segments Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Archive-Number: 200403/1 X-Sequence-Number: 1755 Hope this is not inappropriate for this list. I run several lists on majordomo using an outside service. For some reason, I can't contact the service people of late although the basic service seems to be running OK. Here's my problem. I run public policy forums using an email list. They run for about a week and the panelists and the registrants change with each forum. We're starting to offer access to the forums as a fund-raising device for various non-profits but I want to run it at two levels. At one level, the registrant will be part of a discussion list, able to receive and post messages. However, I want the other level to simply receive the messages without the ability to post. The basic messages for the discussion list contain a reply to address so that the reply is automatically addressed correctly. I don't want to abandon that ease for either the panelists or the active registrants. But, including it in the messages sent to the others would permit them to reply. Is there any way that all the messages from the forum can go out both as a discussion and an announcement list? -- There's an easy way to raise money for any good cause! For information, email funds@simsoc.org John Watkins Founder and Creative Director The Simple Society Alliance for Human Empowerment 603-889-0111 johnw@simsoc.org http://simsoc.org From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 1 11:15:14 2004 Received: from [66.92.48.19] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CCE1B451B; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:15:00 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brent@127.0.0.1:2110 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:14:58 -0800 To: John Watkins , list-managers@greatcircle.com From: Brent Chapman Subject: Re: regular and digest segments Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Archive-Number: 200403/2 X-Sequence-Number: 1756 At 12:15 PM -0500 3/1/04, John Watkins wrote: >Hope this is not inappropriate for this list. If you want to know how to do this with Majordomo, this is the wrong place to ask; the right place is the "Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM" mailing list. If you want to discuss how to do this in general, without limiting the discussion to any particular piece of software, or if you want to discuss the meta issues that surround doing something like this, then this is the right place for that discussion. -Brent -- Brent Chapman Great Circle Associates, Inc. -- Silicon Valley's IT Infrastructure Experts http://www.greatcircle.com/ +1 650 962 0841 From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 7 06:20:43 2004 Received: from web60202.mail.yahoo.com (web60202.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.118.97]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E90181B5D17 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 06:20:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20040307142010.55693.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.128.108.132] by web60202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:20:10 GMT Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 14:20:10 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?= Subject: Fix for some emails coming in with no body text? To: managers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1311022355-1078669210=:54684" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200403/3 X-Sequence-Number: 1757 --0-1311022355-1078669210=:54684 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello, I'm just wondering if anyone has come across the situation where some peoples' emails always come through a mailing list system with the text body removed and lost, presumably due to the originator's email client or program not being compatible with the mailing list's design or configuration. If so, any idea of a fix ? - I appreciate this may go much deeper into the actual program design of the mailing list system. I am having the trouble with Mailgust, a php combined list/forum manager; although still in beta, I could use it if this 'bug' wasn't happening. I'm in close contact with the developer but we're all a bit stumped at the moment. I should add I tried Demime to act on all emails before they entered the mailing list, but that didn't correct the problem. thanks for any help, lee --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1311022355-1078669210=:54684 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
hello,
 
I'm just wondering if anyone has come across the situation where some peoples' emails always come through a mailing list system with the text body removed and lost, presumably due to the originator's email client or program not being compatible with the mailing list's design or configuration.
 
If so, any idea of a fix ? - I appreciate this may go much deeper into the actual program design of the mailing list system. I am having the trouble with Mailgust, a php combined list/forum manager; although still in beta, I could use it if this 'bug' wasn't happening. I'm in close contact with the developer but we're all a bit stumped at the moment.
 
I should add I tried Demime to act on all emails before they entered the mailing list, but that didn't correct the problem.
 
thanks for any help,
 
lee
 

Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1311022355-1078669210=:54684-- From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 7 09:47:31 2004 Received: from osgood.cc.nd.edu (osgood.cc.nd.edu [129.74.250.227]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3120F1B407B for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nd.edu (vpn-9-28.vpn.nd.edu [129.74.9.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by osgood.cc.nd.edu (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i27HlAdM028484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:47:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <404B5FFD.4040906@nd.edu> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:46:37 -0500 From: Paul Russell Organization: University of Notre Dame User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Fix for some emails coming in with no body text? References: <20040307142010.55693.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040307142010.55693.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ND-MTA-Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:47:12 -0500 (EST) X-ND-Virus-Scan: engine v4.2.40; dat v4333 X-Archive-Number: 200403/4 X-Sequence-Number: 1758 Lee wrote: > I'm just wondering if anyone has come across the situation where some > peoples' emails always come through a mailing list system with the text > body removed and lost, presumably due to the originator's email client > or program not being compatible with the mailing list's design or > configuration. > > If so, any idea of a fix ? - I appreciate this may go much deeper into > the actual program design of the mailing list system. I am having the > trouble with Mailgust, a php combined list/forum manager; although still > in beta, I could use it if this 'bug' wasn't happening. I'm in close > contact with the developer but we're all a bit stumped at the moment. > > I should add I tried Demime to act on all emails before they entered the > mailing list, but that didn't correct the problem. One possible explanation is that the list (or the server on which it is hosted) is configured to strip MIME parts which are not 7-bit ASCII plain text. Your message to this list would have fallen victim to such filter. From the message headers: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1311022355-1078669210=:54684" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Internal MIME headers for part 1: >--0-1311022355-1078669210=:54684 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Internal MIME headers for part 2: >--0-1311022355-1078669210=:54684 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You should be able to determine whether this is, in fact, the root cause of the problem by sending a single-part message using 7-bit ASCII plain text. I do not know whether you can do that with the Yahoo! webmail client. -- Paul Russell Senior Systems Administrator University of Notre Dame From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 7 10:20:17 2004 Received: from kanga.nu (kanga.nu [157.22.12.214]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232051B609B for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:19:32 -0800 (PST) Delivery-date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 10:19:32 -0800 Received: from dhcp-66-212-193-197.myeastern.com ([66.212.193.197]:62983 helo=yabbie) by kanga.nu with asmtp (Exim 4.30 #1 (Debian)) id 1B02s4-0002H8-28; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 10:19:28 -0800 Received: from yabbie ([127.0.0.1] helo=kanga.nu) by yabbie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B02s3-0001yO-00; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:19:27 -0500 To: Lee Cc: managers Subject: Re: Fix for some emails coming in with no body text? In-Reply-To: Message from Lee of "Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:20:10 GMT." <20040307142010.55693.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040307142010.55693.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> X-face: ?^_yw@fA`CEX&}--=*&XqXbF-oePvxaT4(kyt\nwM9]{]N!>b^K}-Mb9 YH%saz^>nq5usBlD"s{(.h'_w|U^3ldUq7wVZz$`u>MB(-4$f\a6Eu8.e=Pf\ X-image-url: http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/kanga.face.tiff X-url: http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:19:27 -0500 Message-ID: <7587.1078683567@kanga.nu> From: J C Lawrence X-Archive-Number: 200403/5 X-Sequence-Number: 1759 On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 14:20:10 +0000 (GMT) iso wrote: > I'm just wondering if anyone has come across the situation where some > peoples' emails always come through a mailing list system with the > text body removed and lost, presumably due to the originator's email > client or program not being compatible with the mailing list's design > or configuration. The usual cause is people posting in HTML only and the HTML being stripped by the list server as an unwanted MIME type. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw@kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 7 10:31:47 2004 Received: from heliophagous.homenet.firedrake.org (unknown [62.49.100.206]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988D41B1DBD for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from roger by heliophagous.homenet.firedrake.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B033j-0007h3-00 for ; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 18:31:31 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 18:31:30 +0000 From: Roger Burton West To: managers Subject: Re: Fix for some emails coming in with no body text? Message-ID: <20040307183130.GA29566@firedrake.org> Mail-Followup-To: managers References: <20040307142010.55693.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> <7587.1078683567@kanga.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7587.1078683567@kanga.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Phase-Of-Moon: The Moon is Waning Gibbous (99% of Full) X-Discordian-Date: Sweetmorn, Chaos 66 3170 X-Archive-Number: 200403/6 X-Sequence-Number: 1760 On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 01:19:27PM -0500, J C Lawrence wrote: >The usual cause is people posting in HTML only and the HTML being >stripped by the list server as an unwanted MIME type. It may help to know that there are several filters designed (a) to strip off HTML attachments to mail and (b) to convert HTML-only mail to plain text. One of them is my own textfilter, but there are plenty of others out there. Roger From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 7 10:51:36 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0581B3992 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [63.202.92.152] (adsl-63-202-92-152.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.92.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i27Ip9CC023380; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:51:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phoffman@imc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: phoffman@mail.imc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040307142010.55693.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040307142010.55693.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:51:13 -0800 To: Lee , managers From: Paul Hoffman / IMC Subject: Re: Fix for some emails coming in with no body text? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Archive-Number: 200403/7 X-Sequence-Number: 1761 At 2:20 PM +0000 3/7/04, Lee wrote: >I'm just wondering if anyone has come across the situation where >some peoples' emails always come through a mailing list system with >the text body removed and lost, presumably due to the originator's >email client or program not being compatible with the mailing list's >design or configuration. Check the subject lines. If they look like most of the viruses and trojans we have been getting lately, it is likely that the body got stripped by the sender's outgoing SMTP server, or yours. --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 7 14:36:53 2004 Received: from web60207.mail.yahoo.com (web60207.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.118.102]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 04FFD1B496F for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:33:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20040307203310.10846.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.128.12.202] by web60207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:33:10 GMT Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:33:10 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?= Subject: Re: Fix for 'no text in body' ? To: managers Cc: me MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200403/8 X-Sequence-Number: 1762 hello everyone, thanks for your various replies. In case anyone can see something in my message headers which may indicate where the trouble lies, I've pasted 2 examples below - they are both the same message, the first one as it came through to my majordomo list, and the second as it came through to my mailgust list. I received the messages in my yahoo account as a subscriber to both lists. It's coincidence that I am also the message originator, but it just happens that one of my own email accounts (talk21.com) generates the problem. Just to clarify, I never have any 'no text in body' problems with my majordomo list, which is sited and installed on a different server to mailgust. I host mailgust in my own web space and have full access to any necessary changes or config tweaks. As far as I can tell in C Panel, I don't have Spam Assassin on or any filtering set up. Example 1) X-Apparently-To: lee_19712003@yahoo.com via 216.109.118.103; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:23:02 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from 67.70.243.35 (EHLO shamus.saturnus.com) (67.70.243.35) by mta124.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:23:02 -0800 Received: from shamus.saturnus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shamus.saturnus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i27KCdsq008228; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:12:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by shamus.saturnus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i27KCdaj008227; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:12:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: shamus.saturnus.com: majordom set sender to owner-incel@saturnus.com using -f X-Mailer: talk21 v1.26 - http://talk21.btopenworld.com From: leedavis@talk21.com | This is Spam | Add to Address Book To: incel@saturnus.com X-Talk21Ref: none Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:09:17 GMT+00:00 Subject: [incel] Eye contact, being friendly Message-Id: <20040307201232.OVJD20946.wmpmta02-app.mail-store.com@wmpmtavirtual> Sender: owner-incel@saturnus.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: incel@saturnus.com Content-Length: 489 .... message text was here .... Example 2) X-Apparently-To: lee_19712003@yahoo.com via 216.109.118.98; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:21:44 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from 66.36.228.29 (EHLO www-s34d2.ununetworks.com) (66.36.228.29) by mta154.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:21:44 -0800 Received: from [66.36.251.227] (helo=www.incelsite.com) by www-s34d2.ununetworks.com with asmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1B04mO-000Gd6-K7 for lee_19712003@yahoo.com; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 15:21:44 -0500 Subject: [list] [incel] Eye contact, being friendly From: "leedavis" | This is Spam | Add to Address Book Reply-to: "[list]" To: "[list]" Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:21:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1529431621@www.incelsite.com> X-Mailer: MailGust Precedence: bulk Mailing-List: Delivered-To: List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - www-s34d2.ununetworks.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoo.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - incelsite.com Content-Length: 0 ........ message text was EMPTY here ................ end Chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 7 23:06:02 2004 Received: from mail.vjs.org (achilles.vjs.org [209.163.107.227]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D331B6B4B for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 23:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [63.187.192.142] (209.163.107.229) by mail.vjs.org with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.1.4); Mon, 8 Mar 2004 02:06:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040307203310.10846.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040307203310.10846.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Eudora 8.0b19 for Cray SV-2 (beta release), unregistered Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 00:05:43 -0700 To: Lee , managers From: Vince Sabio Subject: Re: Fix for 'no text in body' ? Cc: me Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Archive-Number: 200403/9 X-Sequence-Number: 1763 ** Sometime around 20:33 +0000 03/07/2004, Lee sent everyone: >thanks for your various replies. >In case anyone can see something in my message headers >which may indicate where the trouble lies, I've pasted >2 examples below - they are both the same message, the >first one as it came through to my majordomo list, and >the second as it came through to my mailgust list. I >received the messages in my yahoo account as a >subscriber to both lists. It's coincidence that I am >also the message originator, but it just happens that >one of my own email accounts (talk21.com) generates >the problem. I'm not convinced of this. Have you been able to send any messages through the Mailgust (what a name) server successfully -- i.e., with the body intact? Comparing the headers of THOSE two messages -- i.e., both through Mailgust, one intact and one with the body stripped -- would potentially be more useful. Oh, and when posting e-mail headers, PLEASE be sure that wrapping is turned off, and that the headers lines are not already wrapped when you paste them into the e-mail message. (If they're already wrapped, then manually unwrap them for us.) It's really annoying to try to read a mail header that has been wrapped. -- __________________________________________________________________________ Vince Sabio vince@vjs.org From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 9 12:29:37 2004 Received: from web60207.mail.yahoo.com (web60207.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.118.102]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3941C1BEBBC for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:05:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20040308200505.11148.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.128.91.139] by web60207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:05:05 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:05:05 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?= Subject: Re: Fix for 'no text in body' ? To: managers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1213559805-1078776305=:10193" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200403/10 X-Sequence-Number: 1764 --0-1213559805-1078776305=:10193 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello Vince and everyone, Vince Sabio wrote: << I'm not convinced of this. Have you been able to send any messages through the Mailgust (what a name) server successfully -- i.e., with the body intact? Comparing the headers of THOSE two messages -- i.e., both through Mailgust, one intact and one with the body stripped -- would potentially be more useful. >> Yes, it's only about 4 people out of 20 whose messages exhibit the problem. Even 1 person would still be too high a precentage! <> Fair point - I've made a notepad file at the url below, which has 2 examples of headers received through mailgust; the first from a person whose messages are always stripped of the body, and the second from a person whose emails are always ok. http://www.incelsite.com/examples.txt many thanks for any further advice, lee --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1213559805-1078776305=:10193 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
hello Vince and everyone,

Vince Sabio <vince@vjs.org> wrote:

<< I'm not convinced of this. Have you been able to send any messages
through the Mailgust (what a name) server successfully -- i.e., with
the body intact? Comparing the headers of THOSE two messages -- i.e., both through Mailgust, one intact and one with the body stripped --
would potentially be more useful. >>
 
Yes, it's only about 4 people out of 20 whose messages exhibit the problem. Even 1 person would still be too high a precentage!

<<Oh, and when posting e-mail headers, PLEASE be sure that wrapping is turned off, and that the headers lines are not already wrapped when
you paste them into the e-mail message. (If they're already wrapped,
then manually unwrap them for us.) It's really annoying to try to
read a mail header that has been wrapped. >>
 
Fair point - I've made a notepad file at the url below, which has 2 examples of headers received through mailgust;
 the first from a person whose messages are always stripped of the body, and the second from a person whose emails are always ok.
 
 
many thanks for any further advice,
 
lee
 

Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-1213559805-1078776305=:10193-- From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 9 22:08:52 2004 Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761A71B160A for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix, from userid 504) id 6FBB2188109; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:47:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.org (c-24-16-147-19.client.comcast.net [24.16.147.19]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36651880F9; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:47:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <404E90C6.2020603@queernet.org> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:51:34 -0800 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5+ (Windows/20040219) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lee Cc: managers Subject: Re: Fix for 'no text in body' ? References: <20040308200505.11148.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040308200505.11148.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200403/11 X-Sequence-Number: 1765 Lee wrote: > Fair point - I've made a notepad file at the url below, which has 2 > examples of headers received through mailgust; > the first from a person whose messages are always stripped of the body, > and the second from a person whose emails are always ok. > > http://www.incelsite.com/examples.txt What do they look like on their way *into* the list manager? From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 9 22:14:37 2004 Received: from web60206.mail.yahoo.com (web60206.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.118.101]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BEF111B17C8 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:33:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20040310043356.18776.qmail@web60206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.128.14.249] by web60206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 04:33:56 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 04:33:56 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?= Subject: Re: Fix for 'no text in body' ? To: managers Cc: me In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.10.0.20040309133344.059e7420@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-166200263-1078893236=:18506" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200403/12 X-Sequence-Number: 1766 --0-166200263-1078893236=:18506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello again, especially jc and roger, ok - I've sent a message from one of my own email accounts (talk21) which exhibits the problem. The url below shows the same message received by me in my yahoo account, and by me as a subscriber there to my mailgust : - http://www.incelsite.com/moreexamples.txt thanks again, lee JC Dill wrote: Lee, Can you please have each of these senders send an email to your list and bcc to you, and then ALSO post the headers of the emails you received via bcc (the emails that don't go thru the list server)? I think it would be helpful to see the message as the list server sees it, before it processes the message rather than after. I'm not an expert at this, but it's how I'd go about debugging the problem. jc At 12:05 PM 3/8/2004, you wrote: > >hello Vince and everyone, > >Vince Sabio wrote: > ><< I'm not convinced of this. Have you been able to send any messages >through the Mailgust (what a name) server successfully -- i.e., with >the body intact? Comparing the headers of THOSE two messages -- i.e., both >through Mailgust, one intact and one with the body stripped -- >would potentially be more useful. >> > >Yes, it's only about 4 people out of 20 whose messages exhibit the >problem. Even 1 person would still be too high a precentage! > ><>turned off, and that the headers lines are not already wrapped when >you paste them into the e-mail message. (If they're already wrapped, >then manually unwrap them for us.) It's really annoying to try to >read a mail header that has been wrapped. >> > >Fair point - I've made a notepad file at the url below, which has 2 >examples of headers received through mailgust; > the first from a person whose messages are always stripped of the body, > and the second from a person whose emails are always ok. > > http://www.incelsite.com/examples.txt > >many thanks for any further advice, > >lee > > > >Yahoo! >Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! >Download >Messenger Now --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now --0-166200263-1078893236=:18506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
hello again, especially jc and roger,
 
ok - I've sent a message from one of my own email accounts (talk21) which exhibits the problem.
The url below shows the same message received by me in my yahoo account, and by me as a subscriber there to my mailgust : -
 
 
thanks again,
 
lee


JC Dill <inet-list@vo.cnchost.com> wrote:
Lee,

Can you please have each of these senders send an email to your list and
bcc to you, and then ALSO post the headers of the emails you received via
bcc (the emails that don't go thru the list server)? I think it would be
helpful to see the message as the list server sees it, before it processes
the message rather than after.

I'm not an expert at this, but it's how I'd go about debugging the problem.

jc

At 12:05 PM 3/8/2004, you wrote:
>
>hello Vince and everyone,
>
>Vince Sabio wrote:
>
><< I'm not convinced of this. Have you been able to send any messages
>through the Mailgust (what a name) server successfully -- i.e., with
>the body intact? Comparing the headers of THOSE two messages -- i.e., both
>through Mailgust, one intact and one with the body stripped --
>would potentially be more useful. >>
>
>Yes, it's only about 4 people out of 20 whose messages exhibit the
>problem. Even 1 person would still be too high a precentage!
>
><>turned off, and that the headers lines are not already wrapped when
>you paste them into the e-mail message. (If they're already wrapped,
>then manually unwrap them for us.) It's really annoying to try to
>read a mail header that has been wrapped. >>
>
>Fair point - I've made a notepad file at the url below, which has 2
>examples of headers received through mailgust;
> the first from a person whose messages are always stripped of the body,
> and the second from a person whose emails are always ok.
>
> http://www.incelsite.com/examples.txt
>
>many thanks for any further advice,
>
>lee
>
>
>
>Yahoo!
>Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today!
>Download
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References: <20040308200505.11148.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040308200505.11148.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200403/13 X-Sequence-Number: 1767 What do they look like on their way *into* the list manager? From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 9 23:16:08 2004 Received: from mail.vjs.org (achilles.vjs.org [209.163.107.227]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2D01B23DB for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [63.187.192.82] (209.163.107.229) by mail.vjs.org with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.1.4) for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 01:22:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040308200505.11148.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040308200505.11148.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Eudora 8.0b19 for Cray SV-2 (beta release), unregistered Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:21:16 -0700 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Vince Sabio Subject: Re: Fix for 'no text in body' ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Archive-Number: 200403/14 X-Sequence-Number: 1768 ** Sometime around 20:05 +0000 03/08/2004, Lee said: >Vince Sabio wrote: > ><< I'm not convinced of this. Have you been able to send any messages >through the Mailgust (what a name) server successfully -- i.e., with >the body intact? Comparing the headers of THOSE two messages -- >i.e., both through Mailgust, one intact and one with the body >stripped -- >would potentially be more useful. >> > >Yes, it's only about 4 people out of 20 whose messages exhibit the >problem. Even 1 person would still be too high a precentage! Agreed. However, as interesting a problem as this is, it's also outside of the charter of this list, which is primarily for discussion of meta-issues surrounding list management. Thus, we should take the rest of this discussion off-list. (Posting this here in case anyone is inclined to either (1) object or (2) join in the off-list discussion, as unlikely as either of those may be. ) What I will note on this list (since it's mostly on topic) is that your List-Id: headers are not RFC2919 compliant. If that's a 'feature' of the Mailgust server, then it's implemented incorrectly and needs to be fixed. Remainder of discussion continued off-list.... -- __________________________________________________________________________ Vince Sabio vince@vjs.org From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 10 11:55:35 2004 Received: from parrot.squawk.com (parrot.squawk.com [64.244.111.110]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47CEA1B203F for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from GLASS.scifi.squawk.com (dhcp004.squawk.com [199.74.151.224]) by parrot.squawk.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C2025B4A4 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:55:19 -0500 (EST) X-America-Has-Resolve: yes X-Message-Flag: Microsoft Outlook is insecure. Upgrade your Mail Program Now! Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20040310132211.2cc60410@199.74.151.1> X-Sender: njs@199.74.151.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:22:44 -0500 To: managers From: Nick Simicich Subject: Re: Fix for some emails coming in with no body In-Reply-To: <7587.1078683567@kanga.nu> References: <20040307142010.55693.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> <7587.1078683567@kanga.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200403/15 X-Sequence-Number: 1769 At 01:19 PM 3/7/2004, J C Lawrence wrote: >On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 14:20:10 +0000 (GMT) >iso wrote: > > > I'm just wondering if anyone has come across the situation where some > > peoples' emails always come through a mailing list system with the > > text body removed and lost, presumably due to the originator's email > > client or program not being compatible with the mailing list's design > > or configuration. > >The usual cause is people posting in HTML only and the HTML being >stripped by the list server as an unwanted MIME type. That was why he ran a demime test. -- He said: "There are people from Baath here reporting everything that goes on. There are cameras here recording our faces. If the Americans were to withdraw and everything were to return to the way it was before, we want to make sure that we survive the massacre that would follow as Baath go house to house killing anyone who voiced opposition to Saddam. In public, we always pledge our allegiance to Saddam, but in our hearts we feel something else." Nick Simicich - njs@scifi.squawk.com