From list-managers-owner Mon Apr 1 04:50:16 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id EAA15342 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 04:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from skyhawk.ecc.engr.uky.edu (skyhawk.ecc.engr.uky.edu [128.163.144.19]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id EAA15334 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 04:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from morgan@localhost) by skyhawk.ecc.engr.uky.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id HAA06010 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:37:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:37:56 -0500 From: Wes Morgan Message-Id: <199604011237.HAA06010@skyhawk.ecc.engr.uky.edu> To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Cyber Promotions Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >> Here is his new info: >> Administrative Contact: >> Wallace, Sanford (SW236) postmaster@PROMO-ENT.COM >> 215-289-4610 > >> Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: >> Wallace, Sanford (SW430) Wallace@CYBER-PROMO.COM >> (800) 650-9110 > >Did anyone else notice how quickly he changed his toll-free phone >number??? I'm curious to know how many give old Sanford a ring. He didn't change the 800 number - I just called it. He probably thinks that deleting it from Internic's database will cut down on his calls... --Wes From list-managers-owner Mon Apr 1 09:50:22 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA03077 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from azathoth.ops.aol.com (azathoth.ops.aol.com [152.163.64.239]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA03071 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by azathoth.ops.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA24337 for list-managers@GreatCircle.com; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:34:45 -0500 From: "Brad Knowles" Message-Id: <9604011234.ZM24335@azathoth.ops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:34:45 -0500 Reply-To: BKnowles@aol.net Organization: America Online, Inc. X-Telephone: (703) 453-4148 X-Telefacsimile: (703) 453-4005 X-PGP-New-Fingerprint: DA 2A 59 B1 A8 BD 4C B2 B0 41 CE 6E BD C3 15 54 X-PGP-Old-Fingerprint: AD 47 4C BF 61 6C 4D 7C 45 EF 6B E5 23 FF 11 18 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: list-managers@GreatCircle.com Subject: Review update of comp.mail.sendmail FAQ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Folks, I'm not subscribed to your list (yet), but wanted to post this note and ask those of you who might be interested to take a look at the updated version of the comp.mail.sendmail FAQ. The changes are massive enough that I'll have to get it re-approved by the news.answers moderators at MIT, but in the meanwhile, I figure I should at least have outside folks look at it and comment on both content and form (hopefully, you'd be helping me more with the content, while the FAQ-Maintainers list would be helping me with the form). If you're interested & willing, the updated version can be found at: If you're interested in looking at what little other stuff I've got in support of the FAQ, see . Thanks! -- Brad Knowles MIME/PGP: BKnowles@aol.net Mail Systems Administrator for America Online, Inc. Ph: (703) 453-4148 PGP keys available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.ai.mit.edu From list-managers-owner Mon Apr 1 11:36:14 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA10651 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from laca0.laca.ohio.gov (laca0.laca.ohio.gov [156.63.145.6]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id LAA10643 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from LACA.OHIO.GOV by LACA.OHIO.GOV (PMDF V4.3-8 #6770) id <01I3132T87MO002X9L@LACA.OHIO.GOV>; Mon, 01 Apr 1996 14:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 14:04:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul S. Bentivegna -- Technology Coodinator" Subject: Perl for Solaris To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Cc: BENTIVEGNA@LACA.OHIO.GOV Message-id: <01I3141RGUK4002X9L@LACA.OHIO.GOV> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk List managers/masters: Sorry if this is too long or too basic but I wanted to give as many facts as I could. Thanks in advance for all you help. I am in the process of setting up a majordomo listserver. I think that I have everything but perl in place. I have a base copy of perl ( just the executable file ) that I found a while back. I tried to send a message to my majordomo 1.93 server ... echo help | sendmail -v majordomo and I got the error: Can't locate ctime.pl in @INC at /soft/majordomo/bin/majordomo line 53 and I found in one of the majordomo config/help files: If you get complaints about being unable to find "ctime.pl", then either your version of perl is too old, or is not installed properly. I got a copy of Perl 4.x and tried to compile it under Solaris 2.4 with gcc but was unsuccessful. Question 1: Does anyone know where I can get a full binary version of Perl 4.x for Sparc Solaris 2.4? --------------------- Can't locate ctime.pl in @INC at /soft/majordomo/bin/majordomo line 53 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I put all of users on the /soft drive ( makes it easy to backup ) and I have installed my limited copy of Perl as /soft/bin/perl. Question 2: Will I be able to keep it that way? What kind of problems will I run into? ( Yes, I think I got all of the references to the !/usr/local/bin/perl changed to !/soft/bin/perl ) List manager wanna be :-) Paul S. Bentivegna Technology Coordinator Licking County JVS -- Newark, Ohio -- USA Primary E-Mail: bentivegna@laca.ohio.gov Secondary E-Mail: paul@jvs.laca.ohio.gov Web: http://www.jvs.laca.ohio.gov/ FTP: ftp://ftp.jvs.laca.ohio.gov/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The thought and opinions above are my own. They do not necessarily reflect those views of my employer or its representatives. From list-managers-owner Tue Apr 2 12:42:11 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA13399 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA03124 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:26:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) id IAA22447; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 08:35:30 -0800 From: PMDAtropos@aol.com Received: from emout08.mx.aol.com(198.81.11.23) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma022442; Tue Apr 2 08:34:25 1996 Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA17163; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:38:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:38:48 -0500 Message-ID: <960402113847_183222293@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: meo@schoneal.com cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com, henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov Subject: Re: Email spammer sues AOL - let's hel AOL fight back Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In a message dated 96-03-31 17:35:36 EST, henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov (Henry W. Miller) writes: Maybe those of us who have been the recipients of Cyber Promo's little gifts can give deposition... David, are you listening??? I'm definitely here (though buried under mail and an accumulation of printouts). Since I am directly involved in the case, I don't know how much I am permitted to comment on it. --David From list-managers-owner Tue Apr 2 17:08:32 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA01069 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 16:53:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from azathoth.ops.aol.com (azathoth.ops.aol.com [152.163.64.239]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA01063 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 16:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by azathoth.ops.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA27567; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:57:05 -0500 From: "Brad Knowles" Message-Id: <9604021957.ZM27565@azathoth.ops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:57:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: PMDAtropos@aol.com "Re: Email spammer sues AOL - let's hel AOL fight back" (Apr 2, 11:38am) References: <960402113847_183222293@emout08.mail.aol.com> Reply-To: BKnowles@aol.net Organization: America Online, Inc. X-Telephone: (703) 453-4148 X-Telefacsimile: (703) 453-4005 X-PGP-New-Fingerprint: DA 2A 59 B1 A8 BD 4C B2 B0 41 CE 6E BD C3 15 54 X-PGP-Old-Fingerprint: AD 47 4C BF 61 6C 4D 7C 45 EF 6B E5 23 FF 11 18 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: meo@schoneal.com Subject: Re: Email spammer sues AOL - let's hel AOL fight back Cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM, henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Apr 2, 11:38am, PMDAtropos@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 96-03-31 17:35:36 EST, henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov (Henry W. > Miller) writes: > > Maybe those of us who have been the recipients of Cyber Promo's > little gifts can give deposition... David, are you listening??? > > I'm definitely here (though buried under mail and an accumulation of > printouts). Since I am directly involved in the case, I don't know how much I > am permitted to comment on it. I'm not aware of what's been said publicly in the press on this subject. Does anyone have an URL or other directions to what's been said so far? -- Brad Knowles MIME/PGP: BKnowles@aol.net Mail Systems Administrator for America Online, Inc. Ph: (703) 453-4148 PGP keys available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.ai.mit.edu From list-managers-owner Tue Apr 2 18:38:29 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA10559 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from azathoth.ops.aol.com (azathoth.ops.aol.com [152.163.64.239]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA10545 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by azathoth.ops.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA28019; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:33:17 -0500 From: "Brad Knowles" Message-Id: <9604022133.ZM28017@azathoth.ops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:33:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: Brent@GreatCircle.COM (Brent Chapman) "Re: Email spammer sues AOL" (Mar 29, 12:19pm) References: Reply-To: BKnowles@aol.net Organization: America Online, Inc. X-Telephone: (703) 453-4148 X-Telefacsimile: (703) 453-4005 X-PGP-New-Fingerprint: DA 2A 59 B1 A8 BD 4C B2 B0 41 CE 6E BD C3 15 54 X-PGP-Old-Fingerprint: AD 47 4C BF 61 6C 4D 7C 45 EF 6B E5 23 FF 11 18 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: Brent Chapman , john.mclaughlin@citicorp.com (John S. McLaughlin [Citibank NAGF]) Subject: Re: Email spammer sues AOL Cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mar 29, 12:19pm, Brent Chapman wrote: > Knowing the folks at UUNET and how carefully and successfully they run > their mail systems, I seriously doubt that there's anything AOL could do > that would cause those systems to crash; particularly not something as > simple as sending a big message. I found the whole document at . I think that's about all I am likely to be allowed to say on this subject. But thanks for the pointers! And if anyone else has any other references on this subject (either in the news, usenet newsgroups, mailing lists, etc...), I'd love to hear about them. Especially if you could point me at an archive so that I could get more context for the kinds of comments being made. -- Brad Knowles MIME/PGP: BKnowles@aol.net Mail Systems Administrator for America Online, Inc. Ph: (703) 453-4148 PGP keys available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.ai.mit.edu From list-managers-owner Tue Apr 2 19:08:14 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA14768 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:06:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (searn.sunet.se [192.36.125.4]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA14690 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:05:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199604030305.TAA14690@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by SEARN.SUNET.SE (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 3570; Wed, 03 Apr 96 05:05:06 +0100 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin ERIC@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2b/1.8b) with RFC822 id 4733; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 05:05:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 04:58:12 +0200 From: Eric Thomas Subject: Re: Email spammer sues AOL To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:33:16 -0500 from list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk What I don't understand with this lawsuit is what exactly is being alleged, in concrete technical terms. Somehow I fail to see how AOL could update the return address of messages sent by Cyber Promo unless Cyber Promo was posting them from AOL, in which case they should have signed the TOS agreement and their account would have been cut off without much room for a lawsuit. So I have to assume that these bounces were for recipients *at* AOL that were out of disk space or the like? But then, in this case the messages would normally have bounced back to Cyber Promo and crashed *their* machine. I think it says a lot when a spammer takes an ISP to court and the only descriptions you can find are in lawyerese with all the important details removed. It looks like the goal is to set a legal precedent in favour of spamming, and the less factual information there is, the more likely this is to happen. Eric From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 3 21:57:39 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id VAA04470 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 21:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp12.netcom.com [163.179.3.12]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id VAA04434 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 21:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.sagarmatha.com by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id VAA15711; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 21:33:38 -0800 Received: by duke (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0u4gaa-000gm9C; Wed, 3 Apr 96 20:24 PST Message-Id: From: james@sagarmatha.com (James C. Armstrong) Subject: Denial of Service Attack To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:24:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: spam@zorch.sf-bay.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk It looks like one of my mailing lists is undergoing a possible denial of service attack. Has anyone else seen such an attack from this site, (Tommy_Oden@ccsmtp.pharmacia.se) or Clarence Verdin? It looks like they've forwarded a bounce message with a multi-megabyte file (10 Mbytes arrived here in one mail message so far). According to unnamed sources, system admin is alleged to have written => => >From Tommy_Oden@ccsmtp.pharmacia.se Wed Apr 3 18:46:44 1996 => Received: from gatekeeper.pharmacia.se by netcomsv.netcom.com with SMTP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) => id SAA22611; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 18:16:04 -0800 => Received: from mailgate.pharmacia.se by gatekeeper.pharmacia.se; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Jan96/sal) => id AA03354; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 04:12:05 +0200 => Received: by mailgate.pharmacia.se (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/sal-950131) => id AA13474; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 04:14:08 +0200 => Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.pharmacia.se (SMTPLINK V2.10.08) => id 9603048285.AA828587537; Thu, 04 Apr 96 04:12:17 MET => Date: Thu, 04 Apr 96 04:12:17 MET => From: Tommy_Oden@ccsmtp.pharmacia.se (ccMail SMTPLINK) => Message-Id: <9603048285.AA828587537@ccsmtp.pharmacia.se> => To: => Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message => => Message too big => => Original text follows => ---------------------------------------------- => Received: from gatekeeper.pharmacia.se by ccsmtp.pharmacia.se (SMTPLINK V2.10.08) => ; Thu, 04 Apr 96 04:08:11 MET => Return-Path: => Received: by gatekeeper.pharmacia.se; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Jan96/sal) => id AA27108; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 03:38:56 +0200 => Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 03:38:56 +0200 => From: Mail Delivery Subsystem => Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable => Message-Id: <9604040138.AA27108@gatekeeper.pharmacia.se> => To: Tommy_Oden@ccsmtp.pharmacia.se => => ----- Transcript of session follows ----- => While talking to mail.uu.net: => >>> DATA => <<< 552 Message exceeds maximum fixed size (2000000) => 554 ... Service unavailable => => ----- Unsent message follows ----- => Received: from mailgate.pharmacia.se by gatekeeper.pharmacia.se; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Jan96/sal) => id AA00164; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 03:38:56 +0200 => Received: by mailgate.pharmacia.se (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/sal-950131) => id AA13247; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 03:41:02 +0200 => Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.pharmacia.se (SMTPLINK V2.10.08) => id 9603048285.AA828585552; Thu, 04 Apr 96 03:39:12 MET => Date: Thu, 04 Apr 96 03:39:12 MET => From: Tommy_Oden@ccsmtp.pharmacia.se (ccMail SMTPLINK) => Message-Id: <9603048285.AA828585552@ccsmtp.pharmacia.se> => To: => Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message => => Message too big => => Original text follows => ---------------------------------------------- => Received: from mailgate.pharmacia.se by ccsmtp.pharmacia.se (SMTPLINK V2.10.08) => ; Thu, 04 Apr 96 03:38:19 MET => Return-Path: => Received: by mailgate.pharmacia.se (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/sal-950131) => id AA13239; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 03:38:00 +0200 => Received: from bronze.coil.com by gatekeeper.pharmacia.se; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Jan96/sal) => id AA25190; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 03:28:20 +0200 => Received: from [198.4.94.242] (cmh42.coil.com [198.4.94.242]) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA17021 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 19:25:02 -0500 => Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 19:25:02 -0500 => Message-Id: <199604040025.TAA17021@bronze.coil.com> => Mime-Version: 1.0 => Content-Type: text/plain => Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit => From: verdinc@coil.com => To: clarence.verdin@usdub.pharmacia.se => X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.21 => X-Spry-Attachment: t6.exe => X-Spry-Attachment: t6_host.exe => => => => <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> => From: verdinc@coil.com => To: clarence.verdin@usdub.pharmacia.se => => Here is the latest version of termite from www.pixel.co.uk => => <---- End Forwarded Message ----> => => <---- Begin Attached File ----> => begin 644 t6.exe -- James C. Armstrong, Jr. | From hence, ye beauties, undeceived, james@sagarmatha.com (home) | Know, one false step is ne'er retrieved, | And be with caution bold. | Not all that tempts your wandering eyes | And heedless hearts is lawful prize; | Nor all that glisters gold. From list-managers-owner Sat Apr 6 14:17:46 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA14695 for list-managers-outgoing; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 14:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.60.8]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id OAA14687 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 14:07:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from plains.uwyo.edu (plains.uwyo.edu) by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #14244) id <01I384F5K4800012UB@ROPER.UWYO.EDU> for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Sat, 06 Apr 1996 14:56:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from PLAINS.UWYO.EDU by PLAINS.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #14244) id <01I384F5LQB4004Y1L@PLAINS.UWYO.EDU>; Sat, 06 Apr 1996 14:56:32 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 14:56:32 -0700 (MST) From: "Andrew N. Edmond" Subject: Majordomo vs. SmartList In-reply-to: To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Cc: SmartList@Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE, Frostie Sprout Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I will be setting up a mailing list server this month with approximately 40 lists, 50-100 subscribers each (I have a new Pentium Pro 200mhz dedicated for the service) and I am still, after much research, stuck on a fence between Majordomo and SmartList. As I understand it, SmartList is easier on system resources. It has been told to be that for EVERY message that comes into MajorDomo a new majordomo is called into memory to handle it, and a new perl program to handle the scripts. It has also been told that SmartList only keeps on copy of itself in memory for each mailing list - regardless of queued messages. With nearly 20000 messages (anticipated) being distributed, calling 20000 majordomos into memory each day would kill even a Pentium Pro 200mhz system! How ever - Majordomo is clearly the advance leader in free mailing list software in it's remote administration features, digest features, and has much fewer bugs. I would be willing to make that trade off (SmartList over MajorDomo) if I could prove that SmartList handled system resources better that Majordomo. Any thoughts on this? Andy ............................................................................. . Andrew Edmond . Children of a future age, . .. edmond@plains.uwyo.edu ... Reading this indignant page, .. ... University of Wyoming ..... Know that in a former time, ... .... Botany Department ....... A path to God was thought a crime. .... .....................VISIONARY PLANTS LIST................................... From list-managers-owner Sat Apr 6 14:58:21 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA16616 for list-managers-outgoing; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 14:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.bearnet.com (luna.bearnet.com [206.54.188.20]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA16601 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 14:56:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mars.bearnet.com (mars.bearnet.com [206.54.188.30]) by luna.bearnet.com (8.6.12/luna) with SMTP id QAA12012; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:56:28 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960406225425.007116a4@luna.bearnet.com> Organization: BearHeart Technology Group X-BearMail: Mars X-Internet-Freedom: Help Keep the Internet Free! X-Sender: billw@luna.bearnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 16:54:25 -0600 To: "Andrew N. Edmond" , list-managers@greatcircle.com From: BearHeart / Bill Weinman Subject: Re: Majordomo vs. SmartList Cc: SmartList@Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE, Frostie Sprout Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 02:56 pm 4/6/96 -0700, Andrew N. Edmond spake: >I would be willing to make that trade off (SmartList over MajorDomo) if I >could prove that SmartList handled system resources better that Majordomo. > >Any thoughts on this? I just moved my mailing list over from an aliased sendmail list to procmail/SmartList. I was unable to get majordomo working well at all--it's a major kluge! I sent out my first mailing last night to a list of 1070 email addresses and it took less than an hour. With aliased sendmail alone it took over 8 hours. SmartMail is very smart. It splits my list up into managable chunks and spawns multiple copies of sendmail to send it out. It does preprocessing on the addresses to make sure that sendmail isn't wasting its time. It handles bounces, and will even unsubscribe addresses that bounce more than n times. I like it. But then, I gave up on majordomo before really getting it running. But I saw the code and concluded that it was too klugey. BTW, majordomo is written in perl and SmartList is almost all in well-written C (I've been writing and teaching C for over 10 years). MHO, --Bill Weinman +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Author of The CGI Book -- http://www.bearnet.com/cgibook/ | http://www.bearnet.com/ || http://www.weinman.com/wew/ From list-managers-owner Sat Apr 6 16:13:22 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA18850 for list-managers-outgoing; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:09:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ilinx.ilinx.com (ilinx.bctel.net [204.174.66.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA18844 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by ilinx.ilinx.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Sat, 6 Apr 96 16:07 PST Message-Id: From: brian@ilinx.ilinx.com (Brian J. Murrell) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:07:53 -0800 (PST) To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Reply-To: brian@ilinx.bctel.net Subject: another attempted magazine spam X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.2-960125-386 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I stopped yet another attemped magazine spam. I know how small and "out-of-the-way" my list is, and this is the third time in as many months. What's up with this?? Is all this magazine subscription spam really coming from one place, or what?? Why can we not seem to get this guy and shut him down?? Is he just hopping from service provider to service provider?? Is there any reported incidences of this guy actually getting shutdown in the past?? b. -- Brian J. Murrell brian@ilinx.com InterLinx Support Services, Inc. brian@wimsey.com North Vancouver, B.C. 604 983 UNIX Platform and Brand Independent UNIX Support - R3.2 - R4 - BSD From list-managers-owner Sat Apr 6 16:43:20 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA19723 for list-managers-outgoing; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:34:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from toko.graphics.cornell.edu (TOKO.GRAPHICS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.247.155]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA19717 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:34:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by toko.graphics.cornell.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA13238; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 19:32:38 -0500 Message-Id: <9604070032.AA13238@toko.graphics.cornell.edu> To: brian@ilinx.bctel.net Cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: another attempted magazine spam In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 06 Apr 96 16:07:53 PST." Date: Sat, 06 Apr 96 19:32:37 -0500 From: Mitch Collinsworth X-Mts: smtp Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >I stopped yet another attemped magazine spam. Please post (as a minimum) the From: and Subject: headers here so those of us attempting to filter them can add them to our regexp lists (if they don't match what's already there). Thanks. -Mitch From list-managers-owner Sat Apr 6 17:12:56 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA20109 for list-managers-outgoing; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:48:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ilinx.ilinx.com (ilinx.bctel.net [204.174.66.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA20103 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:48:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by ilinx.ilinx.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Sat, 6 Apr 96 16:45 PST Message-Id: From: brian@ilinx.ilinx.com (Brian J. Murrell) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:45:55 -0800 (PST) To: mkc@graphics.cornell.edu Cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com Reply-To: brian@ilinx.bctel.net Subject: Re[2]: another attempted magazine spam In-Reply-To: <9604070032.AA13238@toko.graphics.cornell.edu> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.2-960125-386 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk from the quill of Mitch Collinsworth on scroll <9604070032.AA13238@toko.graphics.cornell.edu> > > >I stopped yet another attemped magazine spam. > > Please post (as a minimum) the From: and Subject: headers here so those > of us attempting to filter them can add them to our regexp lists (if they > don't match what's already there). Thanks. Sorry, headers of the recent at the end of this message. If people here are interested in getting early notice of spams, why don't we set up a "closed subscription, only members can post" mailing list to which spam mail can be bounced. The mailing list processor can then filter out all but a few headers (which can be decided on by the subscription base), check for duplication, and then distribute. If the list-manager were resourceful enough he/she could autoprocess the distribution from the list to add the desired information to her/his kill list. I think that might cut down on the "spam of the hour" posts to this list as well. Thots?? The most recent magazine spam headers follow (I don't think any of us need to see the body yet again - if you do, it'll be coming to a mailing list near you soon). b. ----------------------- cut -------------------------------- >From imcon.ilinx.com!uni.durban.ac.za!nicola.du.plessis Sat Apr 6 14:06:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by ilinx.ilinx.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Sat, 6 Apr 96 14:06 PST Received: by imcon.ilinx.com (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.6) id ; Sat, 6 Apr 96 14:06 PST Sender: uni.durban.ac.za!nicola.du.plessis@imcon.ilinx.com Received: from franklin.seas.gwu.edu [128.164.9.2] by wolfe.wimsey.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #13) id m0u5fUk-000U1PC; Sat, 6 Apr 96 13:26 PST Received: from [128.227.163.147] (dialup12.afn.org [128.227.163.140]) by franklin.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA19862; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:02:51 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: nicola.du.plessis@vax1.uni.durban.ac.za (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: please.reply.via.fax@or.smail.to.fax.number.or.smail.address.shown.below.thank.you Approved: moderator X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:45:33 +0200 To: nicola.du.plessis@uni.durban.ac.za From: nicola.du.plessis@uni.durban.ac.za, dfgeinlink22@vax1.vax.joburg.org.za, chiu@cap.town.ac.za, ronnie@jhft.co.za, ellen@tci.co.za, samuels@uni.transvaal.ac.za, c.en@birmingham.org.za, chir@natal.co.za, wrend@rfg1.co.za, susans@uni.swazilan.ac.za, gregor@southampton.org.za, ellen@plymouth.ac.za, gfos@fresno.co.za, tr.ns@uni.london.ac.za, jimt@uni.london.ac.za, fharile@plymouth.org.za, relson@c.ilds.co.za, nels@hall.co.za, sarap@ruv4.co.za, gspelling@earthlite.co.za (Nicola du Plessis, President of the South Africa Association of University Students and the Board of Directors of the South Africa Association of University Students) Subject: ---> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 290+ Popular USA Titles -- Brian J. Murrell brian@ilinx.com InterLinx Support Services, Inc. brian@wimsey.com North Vancouver, B.C. 604 983 UNIX Platform and Brand Independent UNIX Support - R3.2 - R4 - BSD From list-managers-owner Sat Apr 6 17:47:57 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA21588 for list-managers-outgoing; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from netaxs.com (netaxs.com [198.69.186.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA21582 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix5.netaxs.com (jgreshes@unix5.netaxs.com [207.8.186.7]) by netaxs.com (8.6.13/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA06263 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:35:49 -0500 Received: (jgreshes@localhost) by unix5.netaxs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA11891; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:25:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:25:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jenkintown is very boring cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: another attempted magazine spam In-Reply-To: <9604070032.AA13238@toko.graphics.cornell.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sat, 6 Apr 1996, Mitch Collinsworth wrote: > > >I stopped yet another attemped magazine spam. > > Please post (as a minimum) the From: and Subject: headers here so those > of us attempting to filter them can add them to our regexp lists (if they > don't match what's already there). Thanks. > > -Mitch > (assmunch is probably subbed to this thing so I shouldn't say anything, really) but does our magazine spam friend ever change his subject header that much? The reason I ask is that I put ina subject-line procmail filter for *Magazine Sub* weeks ago directed to /dev/null and I haven't received a copy of that spam again. (my lists have never been hit with it, just lists I'm subbed to) Now people who have no control over their list setup can't do anything, but certainly those of us who do (I'm not one...) should be able to filter the spam before it hits the list. Jason From list-managers-owner Sat Apr 6 17:58:20 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA21528 for list-managers-outgoing; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailserver3.tiac.net (mailserver3.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA21522 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailserver1.tiac.net (mailserver1.tiac.net [199.0.65.232]) by mailserver3.tiac.net (8.6.12/8.7.4) with ESMTP id UAA22083; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:31:29 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (jeffw@jane.smoe.org [199.0.65.144]) by mailserver1.tiac.net (8.6.12/8.7.4) with SMTP id UAA12555; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:33:10 -0500 Received: by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA26477; Sat, 6 Apr 96 20:30:26 EST From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) Message-Id: <9604070130.AA26477@smoe.org> Subject: Re: another attempted magazine spam To: mkc@graphics.cornell.edu (Mitch Collinsworth) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:30:26 -0500 (EST) Cc: brian@ilinx.bctel.net, list-managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <9604070032.AA13238@toko.graphics.cornell.edu> from "Mitch Collinsworth" at Apr 6, 96 07:32:37 pm Organization: Jeff's Personal System X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Mitch Collinsworth writes: > > > >I stopped yet another attemped magazine spam. > > Please post (as a minimum) the From: and Subject: headers here so those > of us attempting to filter them can add them to our regexp lists (if they > don't match what's already there). Thanks. This is how they looked from here. >From nicola.du.plessis@uni.durban.ac.za Sat Apr 6 17:16:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: from franklin.seas.gwu.edu by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA25452; Sat, 6 Apr 96 17:16:24 EST Received: from [128.227.163.147] (dialup12.afn.org [128.227.163.140]) by franklin.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA20351; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:38:31 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: nicola.du.plessis@vax1.uni.durban.ac.za (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: please.reply.via.fax@or.smail.to.fax.number.or.smail.address.shown.below.thank.you Approved: moderator X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:22:14 +0200 To: nicola.du.plessis@uni.durban.ac.za From: nicola.du.plessis@uni.durban.ac.za, van_rooyen@vax1.vax.joburg.org.za, chiu@capet.wn.ac.za, ronnie@jhft.co.za, ellen@tci.co.za, samuels@uni.transvaal.ac.za, che@birmingham.org.za, chir@natal.co.za, wrend@rfg1.co.za, susans@uni.swaziland.c.za, gregor@southampton.org.za, ellen@plymouth.ac.za, gfos@fresno.co.za, tren@uni.london.ac.za, jimt@uni.london.ac.za, fharile@plymouth.org.za, relson@chi.ds.co.za, nels@hall.co.za, sarap@ruv4.co.za, gspelling@earthlite.co.za (Nicola du Plessis, President of the South Africa Association of University Students and the Board of Directors of the South Africa Association of University Students) Subject: ---> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 290+ Popular USA Titles From list-managers-owner Sun Apr 7 07:56:33 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA04610 for list-managers-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 07:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from access.netaxs.com ([198.69.186.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA04604 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 07:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix2.netaxs.com (jgreshes@unix2.netaxs.com [207.8.186.4]) by access.netaxs.com (8.6.13/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA03099; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 10:49:21 -0400 Received: (jgreshes@localhost) by unix2.netaxs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA00713; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 10:47:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 10:47:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Jenkintown is very boring cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM, SmartList@Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE Subject: Re: Majordomo vs. SmartList In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > It has also been told that SmartList only keeps on copy of itself in > memory for each mailing list - regardless of queued messages. With nearly > 20000 messages (anticipated) being distributed, calling 20000 majordomos > into memory each day would kill even a Pentium Pro 200mhz system! > > How ever - Majordomo is clearly the advance leader in free mailing list > software in it's remote administration features, digest features, and has > much fewer bugs. > > I would be willing to make that trade off (SmartList over MajorDomo) if I > could prove that SmartList handled system resources better that Majordomo. > > Any thoughts on this? > All I know is: 1) Every system I've used that had majordomo as the listserver has had to chuck majordomo because eventually it ate every system resource in sight. One kept throwing memory in the box, and at one point majordomo got so stoned it spewed out 200 copies of each post. 2) I tried using Smartlist on another system and gave up because of the "people can't unsubscribe" bug that shows up on some systems. The system I'm on now switched from majordomo to listproc, and appears to be having problems with listproc, too. Smartlist probably isn't helped by the fact that to the uninitiated, procmail scripts look like line noise. Jason From list-managers-owner Sun Apr 7 20:10:23 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA03277 for list-managers-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 20:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA09220 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 10:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) id KAA03322; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 10:11:26 -0700 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net(158.152.1.108) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma003320; Sun Apr 7 10:10:51 1996 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ad23964; 7 Apr 96 17:14 GMT Received: from bclimser.demon.co.uk ([158.152.80.60]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa20426; 7 Apr 96 18:13 +0100 From: Sanwar Ali Organization: BCL Immigration Services To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 17:14:35 +0000 Subject: Help; Majordomo Problems Reply-to: sanwar@bclimser.demon.co.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <828897186.20426.0@bclimser.demon.co.uk> Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi I have a list on majordomo at pobox. I have recently lost about 200 subscribers. Pobox have kindly offered to restore from a backup early on 05.04.96. I do not know what has caused this problem. I am normally very careful when using WEBDOMO (web front-end for MAJORDOMO). I am currently thinking that the only thing I can do to solve this prob is to get pobox to restore from backup and then I will look through the sub and unsub requests covering say 06.04.96 and part of 05.04.96. and hopefully this will solve the problem. Any advice and/or comments would be v much appreciated. Many thanks. -- Sanwar Ali Managing Partner BCL Immigration Services 40 South Audley Street Mayfair London, W1Y 5DH UK Telephone: +44 171 495 3999 or +44 171 495 8662 Fax: +44 171 495 3991 e-mail: sanwar@bclimser.demon.co.uk, sanwar@pobox.com For public key: finger sanwar@pobox.com ******************** Owners of the Visa-Free List. "Discussion of how to gain another nationality for visa-free travel". To subscribe: subscribe visa-free [with nothing else] to majordomo@pobox.com ****************** From list-managers-owner Mon Apr 8 02:41:08 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id CAA29888 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 02:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duticai.twi.tudelft.nl (duticai.twi.tudelft.nl [130.161.159.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id CAA29880 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 02:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from winfave@localhost) by duticai.twi.tudelft.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA28043; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 11:33:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: Alexander Verbraeck Message-Id: <199604080933.LAA28043@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl> Subject: Magazine spam header To: postmaster@aol.com, list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 11:33:25 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: winfave@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I received the latest "Free 1 yr. Magazine" spam from an EXISTING address at AOL.COM. Maybe, it uses a "service" at fidonet to send the material to different lists, if it is not fake. The user exists, but currently has a full mailbox. THIS MEANS THAT AOL KNOWS THE NAME, ADDRESS, AND OTHER IMPORTANT FEATURES OF THIS USER. I suggest AOL to take appropriate action. Alexander Verbraeck. List manager BPR-L Forwarded message: >From JohnChen00@aol.com Mon Apr 8 10:40:35 MET DST 1996 From: JohnChen00@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:32:58 -0400 Message-ID: <960408033254_266460489@mail06> Subject: Interesting Free Offer........ --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Interesting Free Offer........ Date: 96-04-08 02:45:01 EDT From: JohnChen00 To: announcement.service@r1.f62.n8669.z303.fidonet.org -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company. You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info request form below. <> -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Alexander Verbraeck Delft University of Technology Department of Systems Engineering, Policy Analysis and Management Jaffalaan 5 P.O. Box 5015, 2600 GA Delft The Netherlands Tel: +31 15 2783805 Secr: +31 15 2788380 Fax: +31 15 2783429 e-mail: A.Verbraeck@sepa.tudelft.nl List manager BPR-L, DYNMOD-L http://www.sepa.tudelft.nl/~alexandv/ See also ..../bpr-l.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- From list-managers-owner Mon Apr 8 06:18:07 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA07743 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 05:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (emout10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.25]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA07735 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 05:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: PMDAtropos@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA01636; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:54:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:54:35 -0400 Message-ID: <960408085434_371255369@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: A.Verbraeck@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl, Postmaster@aol.com, list-managers@greatcircle.com cc: winfave@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: Magazine spam header Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In a message dated 96-04-08 08:16:22 EDT, A.Verbraeck@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl (Alexander Verbraeck) writes: > I suggest AOL to take appropriate action. My apologies for the lengthy delay in dealing with the spammer; s/he had started just after I retired for the evening. In any event, the account has been terminated with no chance for appeal. -- __ David B. O'Donnell (atropos@aol.net, PMDAtropos@aol.com) \/ AOL Internet Feedback/Response/Information Team Manager Tel. 703/453-4000 x4255 FAX 703/453-4001 "The spam WWW: http://ifrit.web.aol.com/atropos/ stops here." From list-managers-owner Mon Apr 8 06:34:18 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA08646 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 06:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA08637 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 06:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ad11811; 8 Apr 96 14:22 +0100 Received: from teapots.demon.co.uk ([194.222.29.200]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa13886; 8 Apr 96 14:21 +0100 Received: from teapots.demon.co.uk by teapots.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA828976938 ; Mon, 08 Apr 96 14:22:18 gmt Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Michael White To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 14:21:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Majordomo for PC? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.21) Message-ID: <828969672.13886.0@teapots.demon.co.uk> Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello all. I am now going to stop using Linux and other UNIXes alltogether to use PCs. I am running a few lists via the Majordomo for Linux and I want to continue using the same or similar commands when I switch al operations to my PCs. I have almost any network driver and email package you like, so that's not a problem - but the only way I have found of managing lists from a PC is with the Pegasus mail 'mail filtering rules' and 'distribution lists'.. Is there a Majordomo port for PC?... __________________________________________________________ mike@teapots.demon.co.uk ac@angel.co.uk Michael White http://www.angel.co.uk/ac/mikey/index.shtml Aberdeen ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ **New Sig!!** From list-managers-owner Mon Apr 8 06:41:44 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA09127 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 06:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA09113 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 06:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.255.175.13] (ppp03.emapnet.com [204.255.175.13]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA01908 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:36:31 -0400 X-Sender: simonsez@mail.emapnet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:34:33 -0400 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: simonsez@emapnet.com (Andrea and Jay) Subject: another address for magazine spam Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have been following the posting of mag spam addresses, but dont know if this one was posted yet. Sorry if its a dup. My announcement came out last night - bounce came in this morning! >From nethumor-owner Mon Apr 8 01:43:15 1996 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by smtp.bapp.com; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 01:43:14 -0600 From: JohnChen00@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA21841; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:36:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:36:14 -0400 Message-ID: <960408033614_266461215@emout09.mail.aol.com> Subject: Interesting Free Offer........ Apparently-To: --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Interesting Free Offer........ Date: 96-04-08 02:45:01 EDT From: JohnChen00 To: announcement.service@r1.f62.n8669.z303.fidonet.org -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company. You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info request form below. ........etc, etc, etc From list-managers-owner Mon Apr 8 06:54:45 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA09614 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 06:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vorlon.mit.edu (VORLON.MIT.EDU [18.238.0.139]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id GAA09608 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 06:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jered@localhost) by vorlon.mit.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA16948; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:49:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199604081349.JAA16948@vorlon.mit.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Pangaea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 09:49:18 EDT From: Jered Floyd Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I hadn't seen this go to the list yet, and thought people might find this interesting. This is apparently being sent to many list managers. --Jered jered@mit.edu ------- Forwarded Message From: List Archive Manager Subject: request to archive Pangaea Reference Systems, Inc. is developing a search service (Reference.COM) that will provide the Internet community fast, easy, and free access to Usenet and electronic mailing lists. The service is made possible in large part by the contributions (software, hardware, communications infrastructure) of NASA Ames, Sun, Oracle, Verity, Pacific Bell, Storage Computer and others. The service will include paid advertising from corporate sponsors, in addition to free advertising space for non-profits. The service will be both Web and e-mail accessible. It is expected to be the largest online repository of Usenet and electronic mailing list archives. Pangaea's goal is to provide users with fairly complete coverage of Usenet and electronic mailing lists. To this end, we would like to subscribe to the list. By allowing us access to your list, you will be making your content (current and historical) easily accessible to the Internet community, as well as your own subscribers. Should you have any questions regarding the service, please contact us at list-manager@Reference.COM. If you are willing to include your list in our search service, please add the address listarch+Lost-Chords@list-archive.Reference.COM to the list. We would also appreciate a note sent to list-manager@Reference.COM letting us know whether or not you are willing to participate. If we do not hear from you in one week, we will assume that you do not object to our sending a subscription message to your list server. If you prefer that we not archive your list, please respond within that period. Thanks for your consideration. ====================================================================== Pangaea Reference Systems NASA Ames Technology Commercialization Center 155A Moffett Park Drive, Suite 104 http://www.Reference.COM Sunnyvale, CA 94089 +1 408 541 7633 ====================================================================== Q: How much will users have to pay to get to the data I'm supplying you for free? A: Zero, nada, zilch. Not now, not ever. We will make our money by including ads on the web page, much like other free services do today. Someday we may add premium services that will include an additional charge, but the base services will always be free to the end user. Q: Just who are you? A: We are a small startup located in the NASA Ames Technology Commercialization Center in Silicon Valley. Our access to database technology from Oracle, hardware from Sun, and high speed Internet access from Pacific Bell gives us a unique edge. Our technical team includes Eric Allman, the creator/developer of sendmail and Professor Hector Garcia-Molina, head of the Digital Library Project at Stanford University. Q: How will people access your service? A: Queries can be submitted and the results retrieved via the web (http://www.reference.com) or by e-mail. See our home page for details. ------- End of Forwarded Message From list-managers-owner Mon Apr 8 08:54:44 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA13564 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.102.244.42] (pb520.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.42]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA13555; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:43:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: brent@miles.greatcircle.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:43:18 -0800 To: Jered Floyd , list-managers@greatcircle.com From: Brent@GreatCircle.COM (Brent Chapman) Subject: Re: Pangaea Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 9:49 AM 4/8/96, Jered Floyd wrote: > I hadn't seen this go to the list yet, and thought people might find >this interesting. This is apparently being sent to many list managers. > >--Jered >jered@mit.edu > >------- Forwarded Message >From: List Archive Manager >Subject: request to archive > >Pangaea Reference Systems, Inc. is developing a search service >(Reference.COM) that will provide the Internet community fast, easy, >and free access to Usenet and electronic mailing lists. The service >is made possible in large part by the contributions (software, >hardware, communications infrastructure) of NASA Ames, Sun, Oracle, >Verity, Pacific Bell, Storage Computer and others. The service will >include paid advertising from corporate sponsors, in addition to free >advertising space for non-profits. The service will be both Web and >e-mail accessible. It is expected to be the largest online repository >of Usenet and electronic mailing list archives. > >Pangaea's goal is to provide users with fairly complete coverage of >Usenet and electronic mailing lists. To this end, we would like to >subscribe to the list. By allowing us access to >your list, you will be making your content (current and historical) >easily accessible to the Internet community, as well as your >own subscribers. ... One of the principals of this company is Eric Allman, of Sendmail fame. Eric first approached me concerning this project about 6 months ago. Since then, I've had several long discussions with him about this project, and how to do it so as to maximize usefulness to the Internet community while minimizing hassle and heartburn for the list managers. They're very sensitive to the concerns of list managers, and are trying really hard not to step on anybody's toes. What they're talking about is basicly a Yahoo or Alta Vista for mailing lists. They'll archive everything, and set it up for access via some pretty powerful search engines. Presumably when people access the Pangaea site through the Web, to run their searches, they'll get little "banner" ads (just like on Yahoo) on each page of search results; very unobtrusive. If you run a private or sensitive list, or for any other reason don't want your list included in the set they archive, just tell them; they'll be happy to leave you out. On the other hand, if you run a public list, why not let 'em archive and index it? I'm going to let them subscribe to all the lists here at GreatCircle.COM. -Brent ----------------------+----------------------------+------------------------ Brent Chapman | Great Circle Associates | 1057 West Dana Street Brent@GreatCircle.COM | http://www.greatcircle.com | Mountain View, CA 94041 ----------------------+----------------------------+------------------------ Internet Tutorials from the Experts! From list-managers-owner Mon Apr 8 09:39:51 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA15529 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA15523 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (greyhave@mon-ca5-19.ix.netcom.com [199.182.130.179]) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA14994 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:33:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:33:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199604081633.JAA14994@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: greyhave@ix.netcom.com (R.Smith) Subject: Re: [Pangaea] List "advertisement" To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >They're very >sensitive to the concerns of list managers, and are trying really hard not >to step on anybody's toes. >If you run a private or sensitive list, or for any other reason don't want >your list included in the set they archive, just tell them; they'll be >happy to leave you out. On the other hand, if you run a public list, why >not let 'em archive and index it? I have mixed feelings about List publicity in general and I'd like to share these with other List Managers. I own a list for present and prospective adoptive parents of Chinese orphans. Subscription is open, unmoderated, but only subscribers can post. The tone of the group is amazingly buoyant and upbeat, and truly heartwarming. In three months, we've had no flames and only slight bickering, easily resolved. I've had only one problem with an anonymous subscriber who posted a disturbing rumor and was unsubscribed. The List now has 600 subscribers in 10 countries - about 1100 people counting couples - so we're not exactly "private". On the other hand, given the nature of the subject, many of the posts are (not surprisingly) emotional and personal. We are not archived, and the general feeling, when I raised the question with the small group subscribed at the start, was that they didn't feel comfortable having their messages archived if they could be read by "outsiders". On the other hand, I'd like to see that news of the existence of the List reaches everyone who has an interest in China adoption. I just added our List name and description to the Liszt index. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Richard Smith From list-managers-owner Mon Apr 8 09:54:39 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA15492 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from azathoth.ops.aol.com (azathoth.ops.aol.com [152.163.64.239]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA15486; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by azathoth.ops.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA04083; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:38:24 -0400 From: "Brad Knowles" Message-Id: <9604081238.ZM4081@azathoth.ops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:38:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: Brent@GreatCircle.COM (Brent Chapman) "Re: Pangaea" (Apr 8, 8:43am) References: Reply-To: BKnowles@aol.net Organization: America Online, Inc. X-Telephone: (703) 453-4148 X-Telefacsimile: (703) 453-4005 X-PGP-New-Fingerprint: DA 2A 59 B1 A8 BD 4C B2 B0 41 CE 6E BD C3 15 54 X-PGP-Old-Fingerprint: AD 47 4C BF 61 6C 4D 7C 45 EF 6B E5 23 FF 11 18 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: Brent Chapman , Jered Floyd , list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Pangaea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Apr 8, 8:43am, Brent Chapman wrote: > What they're talking about is basicly a Yahoo or Alta Vista for mailing > lists. They'll archive everything, and set it up for access via some > pretty powerful search engines. Presumably when people access the Pangaea > site through the Web, to run their searches, they'll get little "banner" > ads (just like on Yahoo) on each page of search results; very unobtrusive. In my discussions with Eric, I got the impression that it was more like DejaNews, but with mailing lists included as well. They're going to be using some very interesting technology to make the searches much useful and relevant to the people doing the searches (far beyond simple keyword or boolean searches, or those combined with some sort of ranking system). This is part of why they've already made it into the set of additional references in the new version of the comp.mail.sendmail FAQ -- I honestly believe that if anyone can make this kind of project succeed, they can. > I'm going to let them subscribe to all the lists here at GreatCircle.COM. All of the lists I manage are very small and not well-known, and only one or two of them are fairly "private". Assuming I eve show up on their "radar" and they request to be added to my public lists, I'll be glad to give them a subscription. -- Brad Knowles MIME/PGP: BKnowles@aol.net Mail Systems Administrator for America Online, Inc. Ph: (703) 453-4148 PGP keys available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.ai.mit.edu From list-managers-owner Mon Apr 8 23:09:52 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id XAA00226 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (searn.sunet.se [192.36.125.4]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA18198 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604081738.KAA18198@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by SEARN.SUNET.SE (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6658; Mon, 08 Apr 96 19:38:08 +0100 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin ERIC@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2b/1.8b) with RFC822 id 8436; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:38:08 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:26:43 +0200 From: Eric Thomas Subject: Re: Pangaea To: list-managers@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:43:18 -0800 from list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk For what little it might be worth, as a matter of policy I refuse to allow such services to subscribe to my lists when the stated default action is that they will subscribe automatically unless they hear otherwise from me. The rationale is that they're asking me a favour, from which they will collect $$$ (and I don't care if it's for profit or non profit, the fact of the matter is that this $$$ will be used to pay the requestor's paycheck). The least they could do (and I don't know the specifics of this particular service, since I haven't been contacted yet) is not to force me to individually reply to 150 solicitations for each of the ~150 lists I am in charge of, and put REJECT as the first line of my message (or whatever the case might be) if I do not want my lists included. As a matter of policy, I interpret this as an attempt to bully me into acceptance to maximize the $$$ transfer, and I filter out the requestor's domain so that they cannot subscribe to any of the lists. To put it simply, when people ask me a favour I expect them to minimize the amount of work that it will take me to EITHER accept or reject the favour, and I certainly resent any implication that if I am stupid enough to refuse to help them make money, I'll get what I deserve and it's perfectly ok if I have to spend an hour replying REJECT to 150 individual messages. Eric From list-managers-owner Tue Apr 9 00:24:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id AAA05788 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gsenu14.gsen.goldstar.co.kr ([156.147.205.15]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id AAA05782 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gsenu14.gsen.goldstar.co.kr (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19847; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:17:19 +1000 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:17:19 +1000 From: kimhl@gsenu14.gsen.goldstar.co.kr (kim hong lak(4327)) Message-Id: <9604090617.AA19847@gsenu14.gsen.goldstar.co.kr> To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: resending problem(*) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi! I'v been installed majordomo on AIX 3.2.4 . And there is no problem to get a basic response(ex. lists , help , info ....) from majordomo server. but whenever resending to list has some problem like below . Error message below was appeared in postmaster of majordomo server when resending was processing. So anyone who subscribed to that list can't receive the mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Message 1: From roo Tue Apr 9 05:53:52 1996 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 05:53:52 GMT To: Postmaster From: Majordomo Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT Reply-To: Majordomo -- MAJORDOMO ABORT open of temp file /usr/local/majordomo-1.93/mail/digest/sw-digest/shlock.19226 failed No such file or directory ------------------------------------------------------------------ And Would you please check out the aliases file on majordomo server? The aliases file is below ------------------------------------------------------------------ majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.93/wrapper majordomo" majordomo-owner: kimhl@gsen.goldstar.co.kr owner-majordomo: kimhl # Software owner-sw: leemr@gsenu6.gsen.goldstar.co.kr sw-approval: leemr@gsenu6.gsen.goldstar.co.kr sw: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.93/wrapper resend -l sw -h gsenu14.gsen.goldstar.co.kr sw-outgoing" sw-digest: sw owner-sw-outgoing: owner-sw sw-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo-1.93/mail/lists/sw, "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.93/wrapper digest -r -C -l sw-digest sw-digest-outgoing" owner-sw-digest-outgoing: owner-sw sw-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo-1.93/mail/lists/sw-digest owner-sw-request: owner-sw sw-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.93/wrapper majordomo -l sw" owner-sw-digest-request: sw-digest-owner sw-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.93/wrapper majordomo -l sw-digest" ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thank you for reading From list-managers-owner Tue Apr 9 04:56:12 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id EAA18806 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 04:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Garbo.NrgUp.Com (nrgup-gw.iquest.net [198.70.144.154]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id EAA18800 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 04:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jonathan@localhost) by Garbo.NrgUp.Com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA11735 for list-managers@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 06:40:12 -0500 From: Jonathan Bradshaw Message-Id: <199604091140.GAA11735@Garbo.NrgUp.Com> Subject: Typo... To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 06:40:12 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3A] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Yeh, there was a typo in my last message, its mailhost.worldnet.att.com, shows you that at 6am I can't even copy simple text from one terminal to the other. -- Jonathan M. Bradshaw | Jonathan@NrgUp.Com | http://WWW.NrgUp.Com/jonathan 1024 PGP Key fingerprint EA 16 1B 5D 5D 94 6B 06 58 FD E6 E9 52 F3 6E 11 Software Administrator, Boehringer Mannheim Corporation, Indianapolis, IN Please note my opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer From list-managers-owner Tue Apr 9 05:13:35 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id EAA18626 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 04:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Garbo.NrgUp.Com (nrgup-gw.iquest.net [198.70.144.154]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id EAA18564 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 04:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jonathan@localhost) by Garbo.NrgUp.Com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA11702; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 06:37:59 -0500 From: Jonathan Bradshaw Message-Id: <199604091137.GAA11702@Garbo.NrgUp.Com> Subject: WorldNet - Do they know what mail is? To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 06:37:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: postmaster@worldnet.att.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3A] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Somehow it does not suprise me that WorldNet.Att.Com has yet to get a clue about email. So far, my mailq is full of "No route to host" for a host called postoffice.worldnet.att.com Now, checking DNS I see that host doesn't exist and now the MX points to mailhost.worldnet.att.com So the mail in my queue will never arrive -- I assume that they have changed their DNS entry from postoffice to mailhost. Hmm, ok, unfortunately, mailhost returns mailhost.worldnett.att.net: Unknown server error Well, guess Worldnet customers get no email. Certainly I think nearly nothing has managed to get to them from my mailing lists and I have yet to receive anything from them. One machine to handle all Worldnet mail? Oh boy... will they ever learn? .... and the company that will bring it to you... Yeh right :-) Won't bring them email! - -- Jonathan M. Bradshaw | Jonathan@NrgUp.Com | http://WWW.NrgUp.Com/jonathan 1024 PGP Key fingerprint EA 16 1B 5D 5D 94 6B 06 58 FD E6 E9 52 F3 6E 11 Software Administrator, Boehringer Mannheim Corporation, Indianapolis, IN Please note my opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMWpL/1A1bhXvqhbrAQHCNwP7BWSQHqikSuR4pSwbZ5coEVDCAMSaenvK i3L1fRdSfba9SCZ/HhmndZuC5CMBIr+6IiHX8ocVCdD/nWbqs1e7YFd7S+Nk62hU Z1I35WWmH4Fq6FwustCI+CUi9VMJb3ui72EVniVnKcguY4YYaaAiUjIgazy0lo7q cadYpmageEY= =defI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From list-managers-owner Tue Apr 9 07:19:34 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA27036 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SDSUMUS.SDSTATE.EDU (sdsumus.sdstate.edu [137.216.60.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA27027 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Lyman.sdstate.edu by SDSUMUS.SDSTATE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Tue, 09 Apr 96 07:56:37 CST Message-ID: <316A899A.3513@sdsumus.sdstate.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 09:00:26 -0700 From: Joe Moore Organization: South Dakota State University X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List-Managers-Digest V5 #66 References: <199604090800.BAA08746@miles.greatcircle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I guess I read their letter differently? The 150 messages will be annoying but they would need to go to a lot of work to eliminate duplicates there. Part of Pangaea note: > If you are willing to include your list in our search service, please > add the address listarch+Lost-Chords@list-archive.Reference.COM > to the list. We would also appreciate a note sent > to list-manager@Reference.COM letting us know whether or not you are > willing to participate. > Part of Eric T note: > For what little it might be worth, as a matter of policy I refuse to > allow such services to subscribe to my lists when the stated default > action is that they will subscribe automatically unless they hear > otherwise from me. The rationale is that they're asking me a favour, from > which they will collect $$$ (and I don't care if it's for profit or non -- Joe Moore South Dakota State University Normal E-mail: cc19@sdsumus.sdstate.edu More urgent E-mail: moorej@cc.sdstate.edu (but don't hesitate to use) Quick mail URL: mailto:moorej@cc.sdstate.edu From list-managers-owner Tue Apr 9 11:26:38 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA08107 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (searn.sunet.se [192.36.125.4]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA08052 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604091748.KAA08052@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by SEARN.SUNET.SE (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6647; Tue, 09 Apr 96 19:47:16 +0100 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin ERIC@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2b/1.8b) with RFC822 id 0174; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:47:16 +0200 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:33:33 +0200 From: Eric Thomas Subject: Re: Pangaea To: list-managers@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:08:20 -0800 from Brent Chapman Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:08:20 -0800 Brent Chapman said: >On the other hand, they could have simply subscribed to your lists >without bothering to ask first, and chances are you'd never have >noticed. It would have looked like a subscription spoof and been handled accordingly. Sorry, it's not like it's not been tried before. >And look at this from another point of view: I intend to allow them to >subscribe to my lists. If they changed their default, then I'd have to >manually process all their subscriptions, or send back a message saying >"Yes, it's OK for you to subscribe." Which would take you all of 30 seconds. My point being that THEY are going to make money on the lists YOU run, typically on a volunteer basis, and it is only fair that THEY should make the effort. This includes the effort of adding 10 lines to their perl script so that they only send one request for all the lists hosted at any given machine, to which you can answer either YES TO ALL or YES TO THE FOLLOWING. Then it takes you just as long to say yes or no. >The question is, which is more common: list owners that are going to say >yes, or list owners that are going to say no? I think the former; And you're perfectly right. If being on vacation or not having the time to answer REJECT to 150 automatically generated messages counts as a yes, there's no question that most of the list owners will say yes, not necessarily because they think it will be a good service or because they are eager to contribute to the paycheck of the author of sendmail, but simply because they don't have the time or energy to turn it off. Brent, your logic and rationale here follows the assumption that these are good people who are out to do a Good Thing. I appreciate the fact that you know them personally and may feel this way. The procedures and etiquette, however, should be the same for any company that wishes to provide this kind of service. It annoys me to think that if CyberPorn Inc. made the same request tomorrow in exactly the same terms, except with the intent to publish X-rated advertisements instead, people would all be flaming them for having made it so difficult not to be included. The thing is, personally I don't care if it's the Pope or CyberPorn Inc. I expect the same courtesy from both in terms of not wasting my time, and I respect the fact that both are equally entitled to hope that I will let them access my lists and thus the most reasonable default is YES. Eric From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 06:55:08 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA10896 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aeat.co.uk (gw.aeat.co.uk [151.182.136.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id GAA10890 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jlines.harwell.aeat.co.uk by aeat.co.uk (8.7.1/AEAT-GW-1.3) id OAA02743; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:21:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost.harwell.aeat.co.uk by jlines.harwell.aeat.co.uk with SMTP id OAA23866; 8.6.12/jl1.0; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:21:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199604101321.OAA23866@jlines.harwell.aeat.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: BKnowles@aol.net cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com, john.lines@aeat.co.uk Subject: robotinfo list manager command - Was: Re: Pangaea In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Apr 1996 12:38:23 EDT." <9604081238.ZM4081@azathoth.ops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:20:56 +0100 From: John Lines Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Brad Knowles wrote: > On Apr 8, 8:43am, Brent Chapman wrote: > > > What they're talking about is basicly a Yahoo or Alta Vista for mailing > > lists. They'll archive everything, and set it up for access via some > > pretty powerful search engines. Presumably when people access the Pangaea > > site through the Web, to run their searches, they'll get little "banner" > > ads (just like on Yahoo) on each page of search results; very unobtrusive. > > In my discussions with Eric, I got the impression that it was more > like DejaNews, but with mailing lists included as well. They're going > to be using some very interesting technology to make the searches much > useful and relevant to the people doing the searches (far beyond > simple keyword or boolean searches, or those combined with some sort > of ranking system). You can ask most Web indexing agents not to index your pages by using the robots.txt file. Perhaps what we need for lists is a way to return information to 'Listcrawler' robots to indicate information about the list policy in a structured way. For example it would be trivial to add a new 'robotinfo [listname]' command to Majordomo (just crib the existing info command) It could return information as a set of fields e.g. Listname: sample Listtype: majordomo Moderated: yes Www-archive: http://www.sample.com/lists/sample/ Subscriptions: closed ... RobotArchive: no IncludeInMetaLists: ask owner Keywords: sample list The RobotArchive field indicates whether robot subscribers are welcome or not The IncludeInMetaLists tells collectors of lists whether they should publish the existence of your list. (Someone can probably think of better names for these fields) Both have the field values yes - go ahead and index or archive no - dont index (and dont bother the list owner to ask) ask [owner or email address] - ask the list owner or the given email address for permission. All the fields in the return message are optional, but designed to help a list manager to communicate with others who are interested in the list itself in a structured way, similar to the way that normal list management software allows the list owner to communicate information about the list to subscribers in a structured way. It would help everyone if we could establish the same keyword and reply format across all list management packages. John Lines (AEA Technology Internet Manager) From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 08:43:46 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA21723 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from torii.triple-i.com (torii.triple-i.com [192.94.150.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA21693 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siesta (siesta+.triple-i.com [192.94.150.7]) by torii.triple-i.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA03618 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:26:39 -0700 Received: from pak by siesta (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26547; Wed, 10 Apr 96 08:26:38 PDT From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Message-Id: <9604101526.AA26547@siesta> Subject: mega-bounces from ix.netcom.com? To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:26:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm seeing all list subscribes that have accounts on ix.netcom.com bouncing back as 'user unknown'. Did all of my subscribers forget to pay their bills, or is netcom having problems? Anyone else seeing this? Jeff From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 09:49:29 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA25737 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA25723 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mne.ifi.uio.no (1232@mne.ifi.uio.no [129.240.70.5]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:29:18 +0200 From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Received: (from kjetilho@localhost) by mne.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:29:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:29:18 +0200 Message-Id: <199604101629.15415.mne.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> To: jeffw@triple-i.com CC: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: <9604101526.AA26547@siesta> (jeffw@triple-i.com) Subject: Re: mega-bounces from ix.netcom.com? Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [Jeff Wasilko] | I'm seeing all list subscribes that have accounts on ix.netcom.com | bouncing back as 'user unknown'. Well, I've currently got only one ix.netcom.com subscriber, but it's pretty much indeterminate whether he's reported as unknown or not. Unfortunately, I haven't kept the bounces, but the last bounce came from ix13.ix.netcom.com. When I later checked manually (with vrfy), it was working. Kjetil T. From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 12:34:21 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA26486 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA26451 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from walter.psg.com by rip.psg.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0u72xJ-00081ZC; Wed, 10 Apr 96 09:41 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 09:41 PDT Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960410095410.0f677dc2@rip.psg.com> X-Sender: walter@rip.psg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: list-managers-digest@GreatCircle.com From: Walter Morales Subject: I have a question Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk First time here.. > > And I have a question. > > I run a mailing list that has about 1500 users. > There is a user in Brazil, that has broken almost every rule in the > netiquette guide. > > My first request was for him to slow down a little on the number of messages > that he was sending >10 a day, and the average before was about <20 from all > the users a day. His response "I don't count them, so that it is not > relevant to me" > > Well.. not very happy here since it was causing hundreds of bounces from > people that were no longer with email accounts or mail boxes full, etc. > > Other users started to complain and this user just kept his messages non > stop. Messages that were sent to him in a personal basis he forward to the > whole list. > > Anyway, I am tired of it and so are many other users. My question is, is > there any problem in removing such a problematic user? others have tried to > reason with him but it does not work. > > After removing a user like this he may start bothering other people that > will eventually write me and I don't have much time to answer dozens of > questions from people that have no idea about his behavior on my list. > > Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > walter > > From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 13:45:54 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA03179 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA02592 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) id LAA17231; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:13:22 -0700 Received: from wubios.wustl.edu(128.252.117.1) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma017223; Wed Apr 10 11:12:35 1996 Received: (from phil@localhost) by wubios.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA23989 From: "J. Philip Miller" Message-Id: <199604101701.MAA23989@wubios.wustl.edu> Subject: Re: mega-bounces from ix.netcom.com? To: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:01:40 -0500 (CDT) Cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <9604101526.AA26547@siesta> from "Jeff Wasilko" at Apr 10, 96 08:26:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > I'm seeing all list subscribes that have accounts on > ix.netcom.com bouncing back as 'user unknown'. > > Anyone else seeing this? > yup! > Jeff > -- J. Philip Miller, Professor, Division of Biostatistics, Box 8067 Washington University Medical School, St. Louis MO 63110 phil@wubios.WUstl.edu - (314) 362-3617 [362-2693(FAX)] http://www.biostat.wustl.edu/~phil From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 13:53:47 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA00279 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecsvax.uncecs.edu (ecsvax.uncecs.edu [152.4.20.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA00264 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ecsvax.uncecs.edu (5.65/tas-gen/may94) id AA22405; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:16:19 -0400 From: "Byron C. Howes" Message-Id: <9604101716.AA22405@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Subject: Re: mega-bounces from ix.netcom.com? To: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 13:16:19 EDT Cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <9604101526.AA26547@siesta>; from "Jeff Wasilko" at Apr 10, 96 8:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jeff Wasilko writes: > > I'm seeing all list subscribes that have accounts on > ix.netcom.com bouncing back as 'user unknown'. > > Did all of my subscribers forget to pay their bills, or is netcom > having problems? > > Anyone else seeing this? I saw it for a very brief period last night/this morning, but the problem seems to have 'fixed itself.' I'm always a little amazed at some of the things that go wrong at netcom, but waiting them out is usually the best approach. --Byron bch@ga.unc.edu From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 13:58:48 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA07362 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.samurai.com (home-gw.samurai.com [198.53.146.183]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id NAA07356 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ronin.interlog.com (ronin.samurai.com [205.207.28.10]) by home.samurai.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07411 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960410205330.00738dd0@home.samurai.com> X-Sender: bryanf@home.samurai.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:53:30 -0400 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Bryan Fullerton Subject: Re: Majordomo vs. SmartList Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk BearHeart / Bill Weinman wrote: > > SmartMail is very smart. It splits my list up into managable >chunks and spawns multiple copies of sendmail to send it out. It >does preprocessing on the addresses to make sure that sendmail isn't >wasting its time. It handles bounces, and will even unsubscribe >addresses that bounce more than n times. Something I've wondered about - how hard would it be to make Majordomo chop up a list and only feed 100 or some definable number of destination addresses to each copy of sendmail? One of the big problems with some larger lists I host (2500+ subscribers) is the amount of time to send to all subscribers - 25 simultaneous sendmail process with 100 destination addresses each would be much better for my uses than 1 sendmail process with 2500 addresses. Wouldn't think it'd be all that hard, would it? Has someone already experimented with this? I'll play with it myself if no one has. Bryan -- bryanf@samurai.com Owner Samurai Consulting http://www.samurai.com From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 14:13:47 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA07808 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from queernet.queernet.org (queernet.queernet.org [140.174.78.69]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id OAA07801 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rogerk@localhost) by queernet.queernet.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id OAA15502 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" To: Bryan Fullerton cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo vs. SmartList In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960410205330.00738dd0@home.samurai.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > Something I've wondered about - how hard would it be to make Majordomo chop > up a list and only feed 100 or some definable number of destination > addresses to each copy of sendmail? This is what bulk_mailer was written for: to use as the "sendmail" process in majordomo's "resend". -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 14:38:35 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA08408 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id OAA08402 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19276; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:16:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199604102116.QAA19276@sina.hpc.uh.edu> To: bryanf@samurai.com Cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo vs. SmartList Reply-To: tibbs@uh.edu In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:53:30 -0400" References: <2.2.32.19960410205330.00738dd0@home.samurai.com> X-Mailer: Mew beta version 0.98 on Emacs 19.30.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:16:48 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "BF" == Bryan Fullerton writes: BF> Something I've wondered about - how hard would it be to make Majordomo BF> chop up a list and only feed 100 or some definable number of BF> destination addresses to each copy of sendmail? It's easy; use bulk_mailer as recommended in the Majordomo FAQ. Future discussion on this topic should go to majordomo-users, not list-managers. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 14:44:33 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA04778 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA03278 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) id KAA16590; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:00:16 -0700 Received: from imc.org(165.227.249.12) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma016507; Wed Apr 10 09:59:28 1996 Received: from [165.227.10.43] (cruzio43.cruzio.com [165.227.10.43]) by imc.org (8.7.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA25927 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199604091748.KAA08052@miles.greatcircle.com> References: Message of Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:08:20 -0800 from Brent Chapman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:01:16 -0700 To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: Pangaea Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >My point being that THEY are >going to make money on the lists YOU run, typically on a volunteer basis, >and it is only fair that THEY should make the effort. This includes the >effort of adding 10 lines to their perl script so that they only send one >request for all the lists hosted at any given machine, to which you can >answer either YES TO ALL or YES TO THE FOLLOWING. Then it takes you just >as long to say yes or no. I agree with Eric here. They are doing something that will enrich them and their customers in some way: they should put the effort in. Fortunately, this is a case where we assume that the people doing the work probably competant; however, they will certainly be followed by competitors who are not. The precedents should be set: - If you want to subscribe to an open mailing list for a purpose other than a human to participate in the list (even if that means just lurking), you ask permission before you join, and you don't join unless permitted. - If you are going to join a slew of lists run by one person, you try figure out ways to induce the list manager to say yes to all. Both are reasonable for the information collectors and show respect for the list managers. This is similar to the "robot exclusion protocol" on the Web. From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 15:28:47 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA10342 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA10320; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA04388; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:00:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Veggy Vinny To: list-managers@greatcircle.com, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Mailing Lists need a home Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings everyone, I am running a few mailing lists and was wondering if anyone out there would be able to run it on their machine under majordomo? Please let me know. Thanks! Vince From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 16:59:57 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA15056 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hub.ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA15014 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dokoka (dokoka-27.ucsb.edu) by hub.ucsb.edu; id AA06999 sendmail 4.1/UCSB-2.1-sun Wed, 10 Apr 96 16:42:54 PDT for list-managers-digest@greatcircle.com Received: from dokoka.ucsb.edu by dokoka via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGIv2) id QAA13048; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:42:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199604102342.QAA13048@dokoka> To: Walter Morales Cc: list-managers-digest@greatcircle.com, "SmartList Users" Subject: Re: I have a question Reply-To: "Alan K. Stebbens" In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:41:00 PDT. <2.2.16.19960410095410.0f677dc2@rip.psg.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:42:30 -0700 From: Alan Stebbens Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > First time here.. > > I run a mailing list that has about 1500 users. > > There is a user in Brazil, that has broken almost every rule in the > > netiquette guide. > > Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Remove him from the "dist" and "accept" files, and then put his address in the "reject" file. This will keep him from subscribing. If the list has "foreign_submit" disabled (not set), then he will not be able to resubscribe and will not be able to submit. However, If foreign_submit is enabled, then he can still submit, even though he isn't subscribed. In this case, you'll have to create an additional recipe and have it invoked at the place where RC_LOCAL_SUBMIT_10 resides. It can be done something like this: a. In "rc.custom", define RC_LOCAL_SUBMIT_10=rc.local.s10 b. create the file "reject.submit" in the list directory and insert all "bad guy" addresses in it. c. Create "rc.local.s10" in the list directory. Put the following recipe in it (*THIS IS UNTESTED--BUT SHOULD WORK*): :0 w | formail -X"From " -xFrom: -xReply-To: -xSender: -xResent-From: \ -xResent-Reply-To: -xResent-Sender: -xReturn-Path: | \ multigram -b1 -m -l$submit_threshold -L$domain \ -x$listaddr -x$listreq reject.submit This will check the submitter address against a file of "bad guy" addresses, "reject.submit", and if a successful match (using "submit_threshold") is made, then "multigram" succeeds, causing the mail to "go away" (procmail thinks that the mail was delivered --to multigram). Actually, something like this might be useful to add to the SmartList "rc.submit" anyway. Good luck. Alan From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 18:12:10 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA21281 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.60.8]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id RAA21267 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plains.uwyo.edu (plains.uwyo.edu) by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #14244) id <01I3DND1WGPC002NFH@ROPER.UWYO.EDU> for list-managers@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PLAINS.UWYO.EDU by PLAINS.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #14244) id <01I3DND5EK9600321Z@PLAINS.UWYO.EDU>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:53:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:53:18 -0600 (MDT) From: "Andrew N. Edmond" Subject: Re: mega-bounces from ix.netcom.com? In-reply-to: <9604101716.AA22405@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> To: "Byron C. Howes" Cc: Jeff Wasilko , list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > Anyone else seeing this? > > I saw it for a very brief period last night/this morning, but the problem > seems to have 'fixed itself.' I'm always a little amazed at some of the > things that go wrong at netcom, but waiting them out is usually the best > approach. Same here - but only briefly last night... they seem to be ok now. Andy ............................................................................. . Andrew Edmond . Children of a future age, . .. edmond@plains.uwyo.edu ... Reading this indignant page, .. ... University of Wyoming ..... Know that in a former time, ... .... Botany Department ....... A path to God was thought a crime. .... .....................VISIONARY PLANTS LIST................................... -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzEWhNYAAAEEAN9Q4ABprWSGDKaY8OtrfFFcF6u5E6ua2ZNKgpJJcwU7rDHk nRRoDtvtovgO1yH5O9JvTgSgtxEWpnfLpl9N616jC77b+4C5dyZS+hIBUiCA4bwy hf2Hu3Z7QJasxEBVEdxAbvuUfuBDrsxBJ6SCw4ukAX66wa9RCO0m53dhSnKVAAUR tClBbmRyZXcgTi4gRWRtb25kIDxlZG1vbmRAcGxhaW5zLnV3eW8uZWR1PokAlAMF EDEWh3LtJud3YUpylQEBZVcD926EzvXLmL7hfeM/LNtgWah67m/g+lR87IxulcJ+ 4peUHUKUgBTglIzlSPURTHpEDQKc3wF2o1ezSdzcFjkdQex8wGZYMsCf6waREX2p s5LB7FdTGF4aciCfvQX5shptoLljCd3UPF56BQTS0raqh+WlFjV3w5wRX4ZfJSCR 4Io= =PqOx -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 18:55:13 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA25228 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amisk.cs.ualberta.ca (amisk.cs.ualberta.ca [129.128.13.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id SAA25213 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gwynne.cs.ualberta.ca by amisk.cs.ualberta.ca id <138536-1>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:33:50 -0600 Subject: Re: mega-bounces from ix.netcom.com? From: Gerald Oskoboiny To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:32:22 -0600 (MDT) In-Reply-To: <9604101526.AA26547@siesta> from "Jeff Wasilko" at Apr 10, 96 08:26:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <96Apr10.193350-0600_mdt.138536-1+217@amisk.cs.ualberta.ca> Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jeff Wasilko writes: > I'm seeing all list subscribes that have accounts on > ix.netcom.com bouncing back as 'user unknown'. > > Did all of my subscribers forget to pay their bills, or is netcom > having problems? > > Anyone else seeing this? Yeah, I got a bunch of these today, too (for 13 people from ix.netcom.com on one list, and a few more on other lists.) I just telnetted to ix.netcom.com's SMTP port and tried to VRFY some of these people, and it seems to be working again. (no more "user unknown"s.) Gerald -- Gerald Oskoboiny http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~gerald/ From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 20:56:00 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA07702 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schoneal.com (wildride.schoneal.com [206.81.38.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA07685 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from meo@localhost) by schoneal.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) id WAA09175; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:39:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199604110339.WAA09175@schoneal.com> Subject: Re: I have a question To: walter@rip.psg.com (Walter Morales) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:39:02 -0500 (CDT) Cc: list-managers-digest@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: From: meo@schoneal.com (Miles O'Neal) Reply-To: meo@schoneal.com (Miles O'Neal) Organization: Schober O'Neal, Inc / Net Ads X-WWW-URL: http://www.schoneal.com/~meo/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Walter Morales said... | |> I run a mailing list that has about 1500 users. |> There is a user in Brazil, that has broken almost every rule in the |> netiquette guide. Since you have asked the user, repeatedly, to behave, and they have not, I see no problem in removal. I would write out a full explanation ahead of time (get a couple of others to read it, too), and send it to the user along with a brief personal note that you are removing them. Send the explanation to the list, and send it to anyone he tries to get to harass you. If he or anyone else harasses you, just set up a filter to bounce their mail right back to them. -Miles From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 21:46:06 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id VAA11196 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from torii.triple-i.com (torii.triple-i.com [192.94.150.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id VAA11174 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siesta (siesta+.triple-i.com [192.94.150.7]) by torii.triple-i.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA08366; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:14:51 -0700 Received: from pak by siesta (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02167; Wed, 10 Apr 96 21:14:49 PDT From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Message-Id: <9604110414.AA02167@siesta> Subject: Re: Majordomo vs. SmartList To: bryanf@samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960410205330.00738dd0@home.samurai.com> from "Bryan Fullerton" at Apr 10, 96 04:53:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Bryan Fullerton writes: > Something I've wondered about - how hard would it be to make Majordomo chop > up a list and only feed 100 or some definable number of destination > addresses to each copy of sendmail? One of the big problems with some > larger lists I host (2500+ subscribers) is the amount of time to send to all > subscribers - 25 simultaneous sendmail process with 100 destination > addresses each would be much better for my uses than 1 sendmail process with > 2500 addresses. Wouldn't think it'd be all that hard, would it? Has > someone already experimented with this? I'll play with it myself if no one has. Get bulk_mailer (the location is in the faq). It does just that, as well as sorting by domain, so all messages for a specific domain usually end up in one envelope, meaning that you get just one bounce back. Jeff -- Jeff Wasilko, Systems Representative Autologic Information International Pager: +1 800 759 8888 pin 507-9658 From list-managers-owner Wed Apr 10 22:21:45 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id VAA13070 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom13.netcom.com (netcom13.netcom.com [192.100.81.125]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id VAA13062 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id VAA04324; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:33:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:33:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathon Blake Subject: Re: mega-bounces from ix.netcom.com? To: Jeff Wasilko cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <9604101526.AA26547@siesta> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jeff: On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Jeff Wasilko wrote: > Did all of my subscribers forget to pay their bills, or is netcom > having problems? Netcom is undergoing one of its periodic service upgrades. In theory, this means that service at netcom will improve. In practice, what happens is that service deteriorates to a minimal acceptable level, where it stabilizes, until the next go round of service "improvements". << I don't consider no mail delivery to be minimal-acceptable, but maybe Garrison does. >> > Anyone else seeing this? It started sometime between Midnight and 6.00 AM this morning. xan jonathon grafolog@netcom.com ********************************************************************** * * * Opinions expressed don't necessarily reflect my own views. * * * * There is no way that they can be construed to represent * * any organization's views. * * * ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/gr/graphology/home.html * * * *********************************************************************** From list-managers-owner Thu Apr 11 01:36:26 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id BAA08426 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from typhoon.dial.pipex.net (typhoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.46]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id BAA08404 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tadpole.intertrader.com by typhoon.dial.pipex.net (8.7.4/) id JAA24489; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:21:17 +0100 (BST) Received: by tadpole.intertrader.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #8) id m0u7HdT-0004GsC; Thu, 11 Apr 96 09:21 BST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 09:21 BST From: Rachel Willmer To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: how to clean up after spam? Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've just discovered that someone for whom I had set up a mail alias under one of my domains has been using it to send out spam to a large number of mailing lists. The mail alias was used to forward mail from this domain to his local ISP mail name. I've told him spam is not acceptable, of course, and removed the mail alias, but is there anything else I need to do? I don't know whether this guy has done enough that someone would go to the trouble of mail bombing him, but if he has, is there anything I can do to prepare for it? Thanks for any suggestions Rachel -- Intertrader Ltd - Internet Services for Business Internet Services: Web Design, Online Databases, Online Commerce, etc. Email rachel@intertrader.com or visit us at http://www.intertrader.com/ Mail autoresponders: info@intertrader.com, prices@intertrader.com Subscribe to UK Internet Professionals Discussion List send a message to uk-net-request@intertrader.com containing the text "subscribe uk-net" From list-managers-owner Thu Apr 11 06:02:31 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA29621 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antares.mcs.anl.gov (mcs.anl.gov [140.221.9.6]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA29603 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcs.anl.gov (obie.mcs.anl.gov [140.221.5.129]) by antares.mcs.anl.gov (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id HAA03399 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 07:33:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199604111233.HAA03399@antares.mcs.anl.gov> To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo vs. SmartList (really bulk_mailer) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 07:33:16 -0500 From: Gene Rackow Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk bulk_mailer is rather nice, as long as your machine can handle it. Remember it's going to be forking off some number of copies of sendmail for each incoming message. It's not uncommon for the load on the machine I have it installed on to go from 0.5 to 19 rather quickly, stay there for about a half hour, then fall to the norm again. This makes it difficult for incoming mail to arrive after someone hits the big list with a message. Setting it to queue the message only and not attempt delivery makes it better, but then you loose some of the advantage of pushing the message out to everyone as fast as possible as it now has to wait for queue runs. Yes, bulk_mailer makes things better, but it, nor other suggestions of splitting a list into pieces is a total win. There are drawbacks to be aware of. -_Gene From list-managers-owner Thu Apr 11 07:07:14 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA02998 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 06:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.allware.com (zot.allware.com [204.176.136.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA02976; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.allware.com by zot.allware.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #7) id m0u7MIU-0001BwC; Thu, 11 Apr 96 09:20 EDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack Downing To: Veggy Vinny cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Mailing Lists need a home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Vince; Sure thing -- we do this type of thing all the time. If you would like to follow-up, please give me a call or e-mail, at (301) 731-8800. Jack S. Downing AllWare Internet, Inc. Lanham, MD 20706 (301) 731-8800 jdowning@allware.com On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Veggy Vinny wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > I am running a few mailing lists and was wondering if anyone out > there would be able to run it on their machine under majordomo? Please > let me know. Thanks! > > Vince > > From list-managers-owner Thu Apr 11 07:17:39 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA02535 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 06:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from info.aphis.usda.gov (info.aphis.usda.gov [199.132.13.125]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA02487; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 06:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kreding@localhost) by info.aphis.usda.gov (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA20773; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:23:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:23:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Reding To: Veggy Vinny cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Mailing Lists need a home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk What is the nature of the list? If these keep going the way they are with one of my lists, I may be looking for a home for it also. Mine is for BSE (Mad Cow Disease). Keith USDA On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Veggy Vinny wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > I am running a few mailing lists and was wondering if anyone out > there would be able to run it on their machine under majordomo? Please > let me know. Thanks! > > Vince > --------------------------- Keith Reding, Ph.D. Biotechnologist kreding@info.aphis.usda.gov APHIS Mailing List Manager (301) 734-8365 http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ -------------------------- From list-managers-owner Thu Apr 11 10:08:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA14752 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maude.state.net (NS.STATE.NET [204.75.238.240]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id JAA14721; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from judith.state.net (judith.state.net [204.75.238.239]) by maude.state.net (8.7.3/8.7.2) with SMTP id LAA13374; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:14:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: by judith.state.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/25Mar96-1145PM) id AA02973; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:12:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:12:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Steven L. Camp" Subject: Re: Mailing Lists need a home To: Veggy Vinny Cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Veggy Vinny wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > I am running a few mailing lists and was wondering if anyone out > there would be able to run it on their machine under majordomo? Please > let me know. Thanks! We provide commercial mailing list support. You can EMail us at sales@state.net or call (612)225-1110 From list-managers-owner Thu Apr 11 10:36:43 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA19720 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from felix.dircon.co.uk (felix.dircon.co.uk [193.128.224.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA19714 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diversity.org.uk by felix.dircon.co.uk with SMTP id AA29882 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:24:57 +0100 From: Nigel Whitfield Subject: Re: Majordomo vs. SmartList Organization: Digital Diversity Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:20:14 GMT Message-Id: References: <2.2.32.19960410205330.00738dd0@home.samurai.com> Apparently-To: Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In article <2.2.32.19960410205330.00738dd0@home.samurai.com>, Bryan Fullerton wrote: >Something I've wondered about - how hard would it be to make Majordomo chop >up a list and only feed 100 or some definable number of destination >addresses to each copy of sendmail? I did something like this as a stop gap before completely re-writing my list manager to make it easier on resources; it used to feed a load of addresses to sendmail, which then did its usual tricks of looking stuff up. In the end I wrote a simple script, which takes the name of a config file, so that instead of calling something like |/usr/lib/sendmail list-outbound you can call |mailchat list The address list is read in and matched to an optional list of domains, list .uk, .com, aol.com and so on. Each listed domain, or each group of 100 addresses results in a connection to the smtp port on a specified host for the mail transaction. This isn't perfect, but it did cut down on the load, and I have a copy lying around for anyone who wants to try it. (And I'm aware that I still have mail outstanding from the last person who asked me for bits of my list code; been too busy with some other stuff to reply to much mail lately). Nigel. -- Nigel Whitfield nigel@diversity.org.uk Digital Diversity nigel@stonewall.demon.co.uk and uk-motss ***** All demon.co.uk sites are independently run internet hosts ***** From list-managers-owner Thu Apr 11 12:10:06 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA26718 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id MAA26658 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfrench (ip-pdx02-06.teleport.com [206.163.120.70]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11658 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604111742.KAA11658@desiree.teleport.com> X-Sender: rfrench@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Rae French Subject: Re: mega-bounces from ix.netcom.com? Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I also had 8 subscribers and 1 approval for subscription show up as "user unknown" from netcom. Does anyone know why this happened? I sent a message to postmaster@ix.netcom.com regarding this but as of yet have received nothing. Rae French rfrench@teleport.com From list-managers-owner Thu Apr 11 17:01:29 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA27160 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA27124; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA05152; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:04:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:04:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Veggy Vinny To: Jack Downing cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Mailing Lists need a home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Jack Downing wrote: Hi Jack, > Sure thing -- we do this type of thing all the time. If you would like > to follow-up, please give me a call or e-mail, at (301) 731-8800. Would this cost anything since these lists used to be hosted for free as it is provided to the net for free information sharing. Cheers, -Vince- richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU - vince@COSC.GOV - vince@cygnus.sy.yale.edu GUS Mailing Lists Admin - http://www.COSC.GOV/~vince UC Berkeley AstroPhysics - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) Chabot Observatory & Science Center - Oakland, California USA Computing Networking Operations - Advisory Council Member Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! Linda Wong/Vivian Chow/Hacken Lee/Danny Chan/Priscilla Chan Fan Club Mailing Lists Admin > On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Veggy Vinny wrote: > > > Greetings everyone, > > > > I am running a few mailing lists and was wondering if anyone out > > there would be able to run it on their machine under majordomo? Please > > let me know. Thanks! > > > > Vince > > > > > From list-managers-owner Thu Apr 11 17:09:33 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA27087 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA27050; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA05087; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:03:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:03:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Veggy Vinny To: Keith Reding cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Mailing Lists need a home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Keith Reding wrote: > What is the nature of the list? If these keep going the way they are > with one of my lists, I may be looking for a home for it also. > > Mine is for BSE (Mad Cow Disease). It's for the support of the Gravis UltraSound card and also a few Hong Kong singer fan club lists... Hope you can help. Cheers, -Vince- richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU - vince@COSC.GOV - vince@cygnus.sy.yale.edu GUS Mailing Lists Admin - http://www.COSC.GOV/~vince UC Berkeley AstroPhysics - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) Chabot Observatory & Science Center - Oakland, California USA Computing Networking Operations - Advisory Council Member Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! Linda Wong/Vivian Chow/Hacken Lee/Danny Chan/Priscilla Chan Fan Club Mailing Lists Admin > On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Veggy Vinny wrote: > > > Greetings everyone, > > > > I am running a few mailing lists and was wondering if anyone out > > there would be able to run it on their machine under majordomo? Please > > let me know. Thanks! > > > > Vince > > > > --------------------------- > Keith Reding, Ph.D. > Biotechnolog