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Subject: Re: majordomo and trapping spam versus Listserv.
From: Eric Thomas <ERIC @ VM . SE . LSOFT . COM>
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:35:25 EST
To: List-Managers @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: Message of Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:32:29 -0800 (PST) from Diane Barlow Close <close@lunch.engr.sgi.com>

On   Mon,  5   Feb  1996   14:32:29  -0800   (PST)  Diane   Barlow  Close
<close@lunch.engr.sgi.com> said:

>> LISTSERV's spam detector  catches spams even when the  list is totally
>> open and anyone is allowed to post (and of [snip]
>
>Sounds exactly like Majordomo's new "taboo-headers" and "taboo-body".

Sorry, but it's  completely different. Keyword based filters  may be very
effective  at catching  recurring spams,  like the  magazine subscription
club, but they  are of limited usefulness with brand  new spams, like the
nude video conferencing one we got recently. Plus, if you filter too many
keywords,  you  end  up   blocking  perfectly  legitimate  postings.  And
filtering out  entire domains just because  one of the accounts  was used
for spamming, it's outright unfair to the other innocent users.

LISTSERV's spam detector, which has been around for nearly a year, is not
keyword based. It  just detects messages that are posted  to large number
of lists in  a short period of  time, and blocks them.  It doesn't matter
whether the message contains the usual catch phrases, which I'm afraid to
type here  since my message  might get filtered,  even though it  isn't a
spam. In fact,  the software isn't passing judgment on  the *contents* of
your message (and exposing you to lawsuits), it's just decreeing that any
message posted to thousands of mailing lists  is bound to be out of topic
for a  large fraction of these  lists. The definition of  "spam" is *not*
"advertisement",  but "message  posted  to  a bunch  of  lists that  have
nothing to  do with the  subject matter". You  can't build a  spam filter
with a pattern  matching engine - all you can  create is an advertisement
filter, and not all advertisements are inappropriate. Conversely, not all
spams are ads (aren't you tired of being invited to conferences in exotic
resorts all over the world?), and it's easy to reword an ad so it doesn't
sound like an ad any longer.

  Eric


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