> I agree. If a list is launched, place make it a closed list open only
> to list managers/owners. Of course legitimate list owners can be
> spammers too, but it may be wise to limit discussions of solutions to
> list owners rather publishing them so that they can immediately
> circumvented, if possible. :-)
I agree, we should take measures to make it more difficult for
abusers to find out what list admins are doing to stop them.
The list I created (at http://clio.lyris.net/list-abuse) is private
-- I must approve each applicant. The web archives are available
only to current valid members. Also, the first 2 posts from new
members need to be moderator approved.
As far as abusers circumventing whatever we come up with: yes, of
course, there will always be people who will figure out ways around
anything we devise.
The virus fighting community has the same problem -- each time a new
virus fighting program thwarts the latest viruses, some clever virus
writer finds a way around it. That being the case, it is still very
useful to have these virus fighting programs around, especially since
they catch the majority of the current viruses.
The same rule applies to techniques for fighting mailing list abuse.
As soon as we make some technique available to other list managers,
some clever list abuser will find a way around our new techniques.
We'll need to stay vigilant and further refine our tools each time
this happens. But just like Virus detection programs, we'll still
have developed something that's useful for thwarting the common list
abuse techniques, and hopefully we'll block the most common forms of
John Buckman <email@example.com>
Shelby Group Ltd., http://www.shelby.com/
Developers of Lyris Email List Server