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Subject: Re: An alternative to spamming?
From: Dave Voorhis <dave @ armchair . mb . ca>
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:34:32 -0600
To: List-Managers @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <E0xdfes-0002cI-00@stingray.ivision.co.uk>
References: <3.0.3.32.19971203134027.00c6f6c0@armchair.mb.ca><v03102803b0ab583b61b2@[163.185.152.110]>

At 06:03 PM 12/4/97 +0000, Manar Hussain wrote, in response to one of my
standard rants:

>> I don't care if you're my best buddy in the whole wide world; if you
>> email me a general advertisement of any kind, and it's not a result of a
>> deliberate s*bscription on my part, I will blackhole you. [...]
>
>That's just plain nuts. Now you may draw you line in different places - 
>but if you consider it an ex-communicable offence for a very good long 
>time friend to come up to you and say "Dave! I've just got this great new 
>gizmo you've gotta try" then that's very sad.

I guess I'm nuts and sad, then.

There's a world of difference between a friend telling me about a product
that he or she likes, and that I might be interested in, and a "friend"
sending me an advertisement.  If a friend tries out some new motorcycle
tires, say, and thinks I might like 'em too, that's fine.  I welcome such
information.  But that's discussion, not advertising.  

On the other hand, if that same friend sends me a bloody email brochure,
with no concern other than scoring himself a profit, then the @#$%!! gets
blackholed.

>Fact is that we all have a lot to gain by relying on the ability of others 
>to act on our behalf.

I agree.  But advertising is NOT acting on my behalf.  It's acting on the
advertiser's behalf.

> With respect to information channelling this is 
>going to become far more important in an online environment. The person 
>might be a friend who knows you well or a list admin that keeps a list 
>ticking along such that you think it useful.

As long as the friend has MY interests in mind and not merely his or her
wallet, that's fine.  As long as _I_ signed up for the list of my own free
will, that's fine.  As soon as it's stuffed down my throat, that's NOT fine.

>Of course I may have sympathies with your sentiments because of the abuse 
>that goes on - doesn't mean that in this enlightened forum we can forgive 
>ourselves jumping way to far in reverse.

First of all, don't assume that because this forum is enlightened, I am
enlightened too.  I revel in my unenlightenment, for I am an ass.

Too far in reverse?  I think not.  I simply refuse to tolerate receiving
ANY advertisements, unless I have specifically requested them.  If more
people felt that way, perhaps we wouldn't have such a problem with spam,
and advertisements would only appear where they belong.  

I really don't mind advertising in general, and indeed I RELY on it as a
business owner.  I just refuse to be forced to swallow it when I don't want
to.  There's a place for it, but the place is not email.

Dave Voorhis
mailto:dave@armchair.mb.ca
http://www.armchair.mb.ca/~dave




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