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Subject: Re: Directed attacks on mailing lists (?)
From: Russ Allbery <rra @ stanford . edu>
Date: 24 Dec 1997 19:02:52 -0800
To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg @ monkeys . com>
Cc: List-Managers @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: "Ronald F. Guilmette"'s message of Wed, 24 Dec 1997 12:25:47 -0800
References: <25555.882995147@monkeys.com>

Ronald F Guilmette <rfg@monkeys.com> writes:

> In light of this possibility, I want to ask you mailing list
> administrators to tell me (if you can) about any and all past
> experiences the list admin community might have with respect to directed
> attacks on legitimate mailing lists.  Specifically, I would like to
> know:

>     a) Is there any history or historical record of attacks made directly
> 	on mailing lists themselves, as opposed to individual subscribers?
> 	If so, please elaborate (at length).  For example, have there ever
> 	been instances in which some miscreant has attempted to subscribe
> 	one mailing list to another and vise versa?  If so, what happened,
> 	what was the final outcome, and what happened to the perpetrator?

This happened very recently to NANOG.  The result is that there is now a
separate NANOG-post list and posts are not accepted from anyone not on
that list (which can be subscribed to in the normal fashion).  So far as I
know, the perpetrator was never caught.

>     b) Do existing mailing list administration packages cause all subscrip-
> 	tion requests to be archived (along with full headers) so that cases
> 	such as the one I just mentioned can be properly traced back to
> 	their true origin IP address?

No.  majordomo, for one, doesn't retain any header information at all.

>     c) What estimate would you give for the percentage of existing mailing
> 	lists whose subscription process is handled manually as opposed to
> 	fully automated?

For all mailing lists out there period?  Probably 80% or more.  For
mailing lists with over 200 people subscribed?  Maybe 5-10%.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)         <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>


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