On 11:11 AM 8/1/02, Russ Allbery wrote:
>Charlie Summers <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes:
>> And of course, there are different ways for other mailing list servers.
>> But I'm curious to know if you perchance have copies of the original
>> subscription requests - if they are envelope-from gmane.org, there
>> doesn't seem to be any reason not to just REJECT their mail on the
>> sendmail level (other than the postmaster argument, which I'd maintain
>> doesn't apply here since I don't want to talk to these clowns AT ALL and
>> it's my server/my choice, can anyone think of a legitimate reason to
>> accept mail from them?).
>Why don't you just send them mail and say "please don't archive any of the
>lists hosted on X and Y and Z?"
That's opt-out, and exactly why spam is such a problem. They need to ask
for permission *to* archive from each list they want to archive, not add
lists in-masse and then require each list A) to discover this and then B)
ask them to NOT archive.
>Why does everyone always have to be so confrontational and aggressive
>about things rather than assuming good will on the part of other people
>for at least the first pass?
Because your solution doesn't scale. If they were full of good will, they
would ASK if it's ok to subscribe a list to their archive. They would
first check the list FAQ to see if external archives are allowed, and then
after subscribing closely read the welcome message. If, after subscribing
(and seeing the welcome message) they found any sign that this wasn't
allowed, they would immediately remove the list and any archives they might
have made while checking for permission. If they still found no sign that
it wasn't allowed, they should still email the list owner and say "I didn't
see any signs that this was forbidden, so I've done foo. If this is
against your unwritten policy, please let me know." That's just plain good
manners, you don't publicly archive other people's email without their