On 1 Aug 2002, at 22:17, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> >> Basically, they won't archive any list that doesn't want to be archived,
> >> but if the list is open for subscription, the list owner has to either
> >> notice the subscription message or opt out.
> > That makes sense. Either the list owner pays attention to who subscribes
> > or doesn't. As a list member, I know that anyone or anything can be
> > lurking on most lists. I really don't see a problem here.
> I do. My big site has 50+ lists. It generates a good number of subscribes a
> day. My list rules specifically state not to externally archive any mailing
> list without my explicit approval.
Why do you do this? I've been following this discussion and, like Russ,
I don't understand this aspect of it. If the purpose of the (public)
list is to disseminate information, why do you care if it happens in one
mail-delivery step or two? If the list has public archives, why do you
care that there is only one URL to the archives instead of two?
I must be missing something here...
I can remember, years and years ago, when I set up a 'repeater' for
unix-wizards. Neither then, nor now as a matter of fact, would it have
occurred to me that it would be improper for me to have done that.
Indeed, back then it was considered something of a good deed -- it
decreased the load on the originating server, because they sent us just
one copy and we routed out the thirty internal copies, and we took care
of our internal adds/deletes/bounces, etc. We also kept an archive of
it; we didn't know or care if other folk were archiving the list (and
they probably were), but again, it didn't seem like it was something we
needed to ask about.
This feels like the discussions that arise on usenet some times when folk
discover [apparently to their surprise] that servers do *NOT* have to
honor cancels or expirations and there's no obligation on the part of ANY
usenet server to delete anything, ever, no matter what you put into the
message. I know you're technically savvy enough to get the 'defintions'
right, but it is an awfully gray area, it seems to me, and one I don't
see why you're worrying about
If I just file away everything from your list into a folder and never
delete anything, is that an 'archive'? Does it become an archive if I
allow a colleague to paw through that folder using a web interface to our
IMAP server? Am I violating the rules if I forward interesting articles
from the list to colleagues [basically, I act like a very very very smart
Eudora-filter, auto-killing threads I know the particular recipients
won't be interested in andy only pass through stuff I DO know they'll
care about]. Why BOTHER getting into that sort of mess and hair
> It is the responsibility of the admin to make their rules clear. ..
No problem there -- my inquiry isn't whether it is proper or not to
violate your rules [nor, indeed, to quibble about your prerogative to
make silly rules if you choose to], but what *purpose* you think having
rules like that accomplishes...
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