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Subject: Re: Doorknob twisting
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens @ archimedes . vislab . navy . mil>
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:47:28 -0800
To: Firewalls @ greatcircle . com
In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Dec 1994 12:18:38 EST." <199412291718 . MAA13778 @ cyclorama . engin . umich . edu>
Posted-date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:47:35 -0800

In message <199412291718 .
 MAA13778 @
 cyclorama .
 engin .
 umich .
 edu>you wrote:
> 
> "Barry J. Archer" writes:
>  > >For a while I used to send mail to root at sites that probed me; I
>  > >stopped when I got sick of reading "We have many users at this
>  > >site...who do you think it was and why are you so paranoid" from
>  > >university admins. 
> 
> I'm a university admin and now I'm curious, when I get such a message, what
> would you want me to do?
> 
> I could contact the person (student) and say "please don't do that", but if
> they continue it's not like I can do anything to them, or even have
> anything done to them by the university.  
> 
> >From a big university's point of view, probing ports is very petty compared
> to date rape and all the other problems faced on campus.  This is the percept
> held by our campus public safety people.

I cannot comment on our security procedure if we were probed, but I can 
remind you of certain laws. 

----include text----
 UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO THIS UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT COMPUTER SYSTEM AND/OR
 SOFTWARE IS PROHIBITED BY PUBLIC LAW 98-473.

 Public Law 98-473, Chapter XXI, Paragraph 1030 states "Whoever knowingly
 accesses a computer without authorization, ... obtains ..., uses, modifies,
 destroys, or discloses ..., or prevents authorized use of (data or a
 computer owned by or operated for) the Government of the United States ...
 shall be punished (by) a fine or imprisonment."  The punishments range up to
 $100,000 and 10 years, depending upon the nature and extent of the violation.

----end include------

	It is unclear to me if the administers of the offending site could 
also be charged if they knew that their users were probing/(attempting to 
crack) government/military sites.
	It's just as easy for J. Random Undergrad to probe *.edu as it
is to probe *.mil

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications Internation Corporation
 China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center
 bens @
 archimedes .
 vislab .
 navy .
 mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88
 Disclaimer: This in no way represents SAIC's or the Navy's views


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