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Subject: Cisco Filtering of Appletal
From: "David Glosser" <glosser @ bbdo . com>
Date: 16 Aug 1996 14:13:22 U
To: "Firewalls" <firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM>

   I apologize if this question is inappropriate for this list, but I'm at my
wit's end. I've posted this to the comp.sys.cisco newsgroup and  I've spoken
to 3 techs at Cisco.  I've received many different answers, even from the
same person at Cisco.  

Detail:
SETUP: APPLETALK Network, Cisco routers in each office. Running APPLETALK
   
   
   
   OFFICE B                        OFFICE C                     OFFICE E
      ||                              ||                           ||
  Zone B-1---|                     Zone C-1                     Zone E-1
  Zone B-2*--|----Frame Relay------Zone C-2*---Frame Relay------Zone E-2*
  Zone B-3---|                     Zone C-3                     Zone E-3
       |                              |
       |                              |
  Frame Relay                    Frame Relay
       |                              |
       |                              |
   Zone A-1                         Zone D-1
   Zone A-2*                        Zone D-2*
   Zone A-3                         Zone D-3
      ||                              || 
   OFFICE A                         OFFICE D
   
We wish to have all users in every zone have access to their local zones and
only Zone #2 in each office. For example, a user in the "B" office should see
Apple Zones B-1, B-2, B-3, A-2, C-2, D-2, and  E-2. Users in the "D" office
should appletalk zones  D-1, D-2, D-3, A-2, B-2, C-2, and E-2, etc.

What is the best way to implement filters for the above configuration?  Some
of the answers I've received: 1) Use outbound appletalk zip-reply filters; 2)
use outbound appletalk distribute-list filters;  3) use the "apple
free-trade-zone" command (although no one knows quite how); and 4) Have each
office send ALL appletalk zone information to all of the other offices and
have each office  filter INBOUND traffic. 

The consensus at Cisco is that solution #4 is best because the other ways
will cause "zipreply storms" and other problems: While everyone can see the
#2 zones, the #2 zones cannot see back into the other zones. Therefore, those
packets will have problems getting back to those machines in the #2 zones. 

However, we don't want the other offices to have control over *our* security.


If there are any Appletalk Cisco gurus or gods out there, or know of any
(commercial consultants included); please e-mail me privately since I know
the resulting discussion may well be inappropriate to the rest of the list. 
I'll post a summary of the responses. 

Thanks in advance,
David Glosser
Glosser @
 bbdo .
 com


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