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Subject: Re: adding ipsec into your already firewalled world
From: chip @ ftp . com (Chip Sparling)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:44:53 -0400
To: Brian_Murrell @ bctel . net
Cc: firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
Originating-client: slingshot.ftp.com
Reply-to: chip @ ftp . com
Repository: mailserv-100bs.ftp.com, [message accepted at Mon Aug 19 11:44:49 1996]

>The second way to handle this is to allow the firewall to participate in
>the cyrptographic authentication and pass/drop traffic based on that.  I
>can see a filtering firewall where source address is a key identifying a
>host rather than IP address.  This would be nice.
>
>The problem with all of this is it only takes care of one portion of a
>firewalls' job - eliminating traffic from unwanted sources.  There is a
>whole separate process of validating data to avoid data driven attacks.  In
>this scenario, the firewall has to be the endpoint of the IPSec tunnel,
>much as firewalls are the endpoint of an SMTP session today.  The traffic
>can be inspected and re-tunnelled to the actual recipient just as SMTP is
>repackaged and sent to the intended recipient in today's firewalls.

That's what I was picturing, two firewalls, one at the entrance to the
rest of the world and one right before your server (on a new DMZ).  The 
first keeps out the riff-raff, the second allows IPSec traffic from 
anywhere and if that second firewall could gateway IPSec into IP, and 
then do firewall things with the traffic, more power to it.

>> These are just some thoughts I have after 2 days with IPSec on
>> my host.  Any comments?
>
>Yeah.  What are you running IPSec on??  If you say a Windows (95!)
>workstation, you win the prize and make me wet my pants.  :-)

Uh, I'll pass, but yes Win95 :-)

>Where/how/when can I get one??  We have a large user-base which are looking
>for a routed access past a firewall.  I can only see IPSec (or similar VPN
>technologies) making me at all comfortable about doing this.  We would
>require a filter which allows us to source a machine by key and not IP
>address.  We would also require encrypted sessions to networks behind the
>firewall.

It's in the second round of beta, I don't think the beta is closed, but
I'll have to check.  Drop me a note and I'll follow up.

chip

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