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Subject: Re: huh? switch hitter? (fwd)
From: Edward Henry Young <us002628 @ interramp . com>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 22:09:35 PDT
To: John Hopkins <hopkins @ icrf . icnet . uk>, firewalls @ greatcircle . com

X.25 can be sniffed if you break the link.  All the traffic is coming through on one connection. With ethernet, you can use a matrix switch to insert into a segment to sniff.

Ed

I think that a lot of ethernet switches also have a common port that can
see all the traffic on the other ports if required.

J.

On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Ryan Mooney wrote:

> 
> You only can't sniff across switched ports.
> 
> ie:
> 
> -----seg1-------+----------+
>                 |          |
> -----seg2-------+          |
>                 | Switch   |
> -----seg3-------+          |
>                 |          |
> -----seg4-------+----------+
> 
> In this scenario if you are on seg1 and traffic is going from seg2 to
> seg3 you never see it.  You would of course be able to see any traffic
> on seg1, but thats it (except for broadcast packets and the like).
> Saying that switched ethernet can't be sniffed is somewhat of a misnomer
> as each virtual segment usually has more than one system on it and
> any one of those systems could theoretically snoop any traffic on that
> segment.  I think this is really simple common sense once you look at what
> the switch is really doing... and what machines are where.  There are
> of course ways to capture all data going across the switch with things
> like switch probes and the like, these do however have to be installed,
> and left open for evil bad dude to use in his copious spare time.
> 
> > 
> > excuse my ignorance or lack or research, yet...
> > 
> > what makes switched ethernet unable to be snarfed....
> > 
> > --->
> > Robert H. Hanson           LAN/WAN Consultant - Internet Service Provider
> > Otis Orchards, Wa.         Cutting Edge Communications        www.cet.com
> > (509) 927-9541             finger: info @
 cet .
 com or email: roberth @
 cet .
 com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > > We did   We captured all the X25 packets then opened them up   There was
> > > > IBM SNA data going through the X25   Looked like a database update   
> > > > There was mail going through   Boring stuff about various shipments
> > > > And there was a trickle of teletype
> > > 
> > > what kind of X.25 Connection is this? Generally X.25 is not used on
> > > broadcast mediums, only with point-to-point links to the switches. (You can
> > > compare it to switched ethernet, where ethernet sniffing is impossible,
> > > too).
> > > 
> > > Greetings
> > > Bernd
> > > -- 
> > >   (OO)      -- Bernd_Eckenfels @
 Wittumstrasse13 .
 76646Bruchsal .
 de --
> > >  ( .. )  ecki @
 lina .
 {inka .
 de,ka.sub.org}  http://home.pages.de/~eckes/
> > >   o--o     *plush*  2048/A2C51749  eckes @
 irc  +4972573817  *plush*
> > > (O____O)       If privacy is outlawed only Outlaws have privacy
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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