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Subject: Re: Plain-text passwords
From: Kent Crispin <kent @ songbird . com>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 19:11:16 -0800 (PST)
To: cosmo @ ebs . net (Craig Brozefsky)
Cc: firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <Pine . LNX . 3 . 91 . 961108145158 . 29635B-100000 @ gilligan . ebs . net> from "Craig Brozefsky" at Nov 8, 96 03:02:07 pm

Craig Brozefsky allegedly said:
> 
[...]
> > >deslogin is pretty good to, and unlike S/Key or SSH, I know of noone who 
> > >has found methods to attack it succesfully.
> > >
> > 
> > could you provide pointers to succesfull ssh attacks?
> 
> Check ssh mailing lists.  There was some concern with the ssh-agent and 
> it's usage of fds.

That particular problem would more correctly be characterized as a 
theoretical weaknes discovered by a sharp eyed user -- it would have 
been very difficult to exploit.

There have been a couple of problems of a similar nature mentioned on 
the list -- there was another one concerning the retention of keys in 
memory when a process switched to non-privileged mode that I 
remember.  

However, both these problems required that the attacker already have
access to the machine running ssh, and, of course, by that point the 
attacker has numberless other attacks to try.

Nor was there, to my knowlege, ever any report of an exploit that 
made use of these reported weaknesses.  Both were fixed very quickly, 
in any case.

And, to my knowledge, there have been no reports of a successful 
exploit of ssh.

Ssh is a new product, and not quite mature.  The biggest problem with
it is not its level of security, but rather the fact that, like PGP,
it doesn't have a key management mechanism that scales to large sites. 

-- 
Kent Crispin				"No reason to get excited",
kent @
 songbird .
 com,kc @
 llnl .
 gov		the thief he kindly spoke...
PGP fingerprint:   B6 04 CC 30 9E DE CD FE  6A 04 90 BB 26 77 4A 5E


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