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Subject: Re: L0pht Scanning - Beware
From: Lucas Buckler-Carey <lbuckl @ simons-rock . edu>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:08:53 -0400 (EDT)
To: firewalls @ greatcircle . com
Cc: ntsecurity @ iss . net
In-reply-to: <199704272041 . NAA17338 @ jefferson . hidden . net>

What, may I ask, did l0pht do to your system?
If they are true hackers in the sense of the word they didn't do jack
shit.  Mabey took a peek at some info you didn't want anyone to see but
that's all.  Perhaps they even gave everyone with a modem access to all
your data.  You would say that I am a hacker and encourage others to be
hackers.  You might be right.  I've broken into systems and looked at some
info I perhaps wasn't allowed to.  So what?  Organized hacker groups won't
do anything to your personal life if you don't do anything to thiers.  We
all want information.  You want it.  I want it.  Everyone on  this list
wants it.   Everyohne with a computer wants it.  That is what a hacker is.
Someone who wants information from a computer or about a computer and
won't let a security system get in the way.  Unless they crashed your
system or erased important data stop winning.  Go home, find the hole in
your security and fix it.  Next time you get hacked do the same thing.
Personally I attempt to break into my system and let anyone I know do the
same.  That is how security improves.  If no one had ever broke into a
network imagine how shitty security programs would be.
If you realize it now or not, every break-in is benficial and you should
learn from it.

-Lucas


On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Anonymous wrote:

> 
> The l0pht attacked my company as well.  I would like to ask is there anything to stop these
> hackers?  Reporting them to the FBI seems to have had no effect.  The l0pht organization 
> makes it very plain that they are hackers and encourage others to be hackers.  They provide 
> exploits and tools to make anyone off the street a successful online criminal.
> 
> Our criminal justice system is completely useless against these cyber terrorist
> on the Internet.  Perhaps the next thing we will see is that the Mafia have a web site, 
> which gives detailed descriptions on how to money launder, push drugs, and dump dead bodies, 
> all without being caught.    
> 
> Because of the malicious nature of the criminal groups I am exposing, I dont want the 
> organized hacker groups to try to damage and destroy my own personal life nor the company I 
> work for, therefore I am posting anonymously.  
> 
> What motivates these criminals?  Who condones these activities and sponsers these 
> unscroupolous hackers?  Who is this Mudge hacker who ringmasters this group called the L0pht?  Who are they really working for? 
> 
> Perhaps previous comments about their ties to organized crime are not entirely far-fetched.
> 
  



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