I am not jumping into the fray to throw mud on one or the other, but to remind
all of this that we take time to read, gather knowledge and help each other in
our chosen profession ---- but not to read such inflammatory episodes.
Hopefully, we all can agree and abide by to keep this forum clean and enjoyable
for all of us.
Everyone's cooperation in this regard is appreciated.
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Subject: [NTSEC] Re: L0pht Scanning - Beware
Author: Todd Graham Lewis <lists @
Date: 4/29/97 2:19 PM
On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Anonymous wrote:
> The l0pht attacked my company as well.
Did they modify your MUA such that it is now incapable of wrapping at 80
> I would like to ask is there anything to stop these hackers? Reporting
> them to the FBI seems to have had no effect. The l0pht organization
> makes it very plain that they are hackers and encourage others to be
> hackers. They provide exploits and tools to make anyone off the street
> a successful online criminal.
Yeah, just like those mafiosi Venema and Farmer.
> Our criminal justice system is completely useless against these cyber
> terrorist on the Internet. Perhaps the next thing we will see is that
> the Mafia have a web site, which gives detailed descriptions on how to
> money launder, push drugs, and dump dead bodies, all without being
Racketeering, Hoffa in the Meadowlands, and portscanning. National
> Because of the malicious nature of the criminal groups I am exposing, I
> dont want the organized hacker groups to try to damage and destroy my
> own personal life nor the company I work for, therefore I am posting
"Exposing"? Were I a l0pht memer, I might be offended. As far as
far-reaching exposes, that observation ranks up there with other
masterpieces of the obvious such as:
- Madonna is a woman
- Bill Clinton sympathizes with us
- You are a moron
> What motivates these criminals?
Morons like you.
> Who condones these activities and sponsers these unscroupolous hackers?
People like me, who would rather see networks actively probed by people
like the l0phters than by Sadaam Hussein. Oh no, NT isn't 100% secure;
welcome to the real world, you bozo.
> Who is this Mudge hacker who
> ringmasters this group called the L0pht? Who are they really working
They're working for you, whether you realize it or not.
> Perhaps previous comments about their ties to organized crime are not
> entirely far-fetched.
Perhaps your perspective on being portscanned is.
Disclaimer: I am not intimating that NT people in general are as clueless
as this bozo is. I have seen a lot of people both on ntsec and firewalls
who take security seriously and recognize this sort of behaviour as, if
not exactly polite, useful from a security perspective. Hackers keep us
on our toes, and more importantly they keep both us and our vendors
honest. Sure, they step over the line from time to time, but portscans,
especially after you've downloaded their software, do not qualify in my
book as such.
I can already tell; it's going to be an asbestosy day.
Todd Graham Lewis MindSpring Enterprises tlewis @