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Subject: Re: ISP Connection
From: Larry Kwiat <kwiat @ gov . yk . ca>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:54:56 -0400 (EDT)
To: Mariko Yashada <mariko @ grfn . org>
Cc: Firewalls Mailing List <firewalls @ GreatCircle . com>

On Mon, 02 Jun 97 11:37:15 PDT Mariko Yashada <mariko @
 grfn .
 org> wrote:
<snip>
<snip synopsis> - the idea of taking an ISP's word that 
their leased line to you through a "private" router engaged 
in their system is sufficient to hang the company jewels on 
quite securely and without a firewall...

> My question is, how secure is this type of connection? How difficult is it
> for someone outside the ISP domain to discover and access our connection?

In my professional opinion, if an ISP salesman said that to 
me, I'd ask him to bring his technical people along for a 
discussion, where I'd ask them a whole series of techie 
questions the answers to which would probably be not 
satisfactory. That is because I work for a large integrated 
organization. If I were in the same position in a large 
private organization with as much value on the line as the 
average government, I wouldn't bother that vendor with the 
inquisition, I would find another ISP.

In my opinion, a firewall is NECESSARY in the loop with the 
public internet. I wouldn't like to consider what might 
happen without one.

a) you don't have enough contracting authority in the usual
   arrangement witb an ISP to ensure the proper steps are 
   always taken on your behalf.

b) You can't manage change control at all on their system.

c) You have no assurance of high priority action on your 
   behalf in the event of a breach of their security.

Strictly from a security management position, never mind 
the technicalities, I don't think what your ISP is 
proposing is what I would consider a good idea,
if I were in your shoes...

This is a personal, professional opinion.

Sincerely,

Larry Kwiat
Information Security Coordinator
Information Services Branch
Department of Government Services
Government of Yukon
Phone: (403) 667-8081
Fax:     (403) 667-5304
Netmail: kwiat @
 gov .
 yk .
 ca




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