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Subject: Re: Pulling out Checkpoint-1 firewalls
From: Jan Koum <jkb @ best . com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:51:32 -0700 (PDT)
To: Frank Willoughby <frankw @ in . net>
Cc: mjr @ clark . net, Firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <3 . 0 . 32 . 19970626225252 . 0069063c @ in . net>

	Hello all,

	Even so I think this thread should be stoped soon... read on.

On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Frank Willoughby wrote:

> At 10:43 PM 6/26/97 +0000, Marcus J. Ranum, apparently after taking a 
> brief sojourn from reality (cat-scratch fever?) wrote:
> 
> Two things:
>  o It happened.

	One thing:
	Prove it.

>  o Marcus, personally, I don't care what you believe or don't believe.
>      

	Hope your customers know that you are one of those close minded
security "experts".

> For a second, I was going to explain my research on firewalls, and
> then realized that this discussion is going nowhere.  It's a waste
> of my time and that of the list.  Why you waste the list's bandwidth
> with comments which could have easily been taken off-line is beyond
> me.  Shows an apparent disregard of the readers on this list.

	Marcus wrote a lot of papers and etc on firewalls. Even if he
wouldn't had done so, just like anyone else on this list he has a right
for an opinion. You told us yours, he told us his.

> 
> I *will* say that people should do their own research and draw their 
> own conclusions.

	*BZZT* Wrong. You know why internet is so popular? Because it
allows sharing of information between people. Just like this mailing list.
It simply doesn't make sence at this day and age to isolate people from
each other to "draw their own conclusions". Have you ever heard of a team
work? There is a saying where I am from: "One brain is good, but two is
better"

-- yan

> 
> [sarcastic rant deleted]
> 
> >mjr.
> >-----
> >Marcus J. Ranum, CEO, Network Flight Recorder, Inc.
> The opinions of the author of this mail may not necessarily be 
> representative of the opinions of Fortifed Networks, Inc.
> 
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> 



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